uPortal IRC Logs-2008-05-09

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[10:40:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i planned to park at the office today so i could get my stuff into the car, but of course the lot's completely full
[10:40:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> argh
[10:41:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (tongue)
[10:41:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> raining, too! (tongue)
[10:42:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no fun
[10:42:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ummm
[10:42:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i just found a vax 11 programming card in my drawer
[10:42:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> what??
[10:43:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nice
[10:43:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> lol yeah
[10:43:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we actually bought a desk from UW surplus a when we moved
[10:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> they hadn't cleaned it out at all
[10:43:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> (smile)
[10:43:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there were 3 years of some proffessors tax returns in it!
[10:43:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i cleaned this one out when i moved into it
[10:44:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> got rid of a bunch of apple programming manuals from the 80s
[10:44:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> which is why i'm not sure how this card is still here
[10:44:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> a lot of people at yale stay for their whole careers
[10:44:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> probably was stuck in some nook
[10:44:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so people accumulate really old, weird stuff (tongue)
[10:44:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> this place is a like a tech museum
[10:44:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> howard always has strange, random stuff
[10:44:55 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> just got rid of a whole rack full of A/UX manuals myself
[10:45:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> a couple years ago he had on display a computer that was the same age as i was (smile)
[10:45:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah, nice
[10:46:35 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> is there a kind of Coles Notes on the maven projects in the Quick Start distribution?
[10:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Coles Notes?
[10:47:51 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> there's a joke there somewhere, I just know it.
[10:47:58 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> showing my age, I guess ... kind of a summary on what they all are and do ... uportal-impl, uportal-ear etc
[10:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah (smile)
[10:48:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> honestly I don't know if I ever wrote it all up in the wiki
[10:48:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there is my up3 presentation from the conference with it
[10:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> used to use them to learn about Hamlet without actually reading it
[10:48:48 EDT(-0400)] * EricDalquist needs a clone
[10:49:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Ah ... we always used Cliff's Notes
[10:49:06 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> Cliff's Notes were the name during my school career
[10:49:38 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> it may be a Canadian thing
[10:50:04 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> Sorry
[10:50:07 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> ah, that explains a lot
[10:50:11 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> (wink)
[10:50:43 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> could you elaborate?
[10:50:54 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> (wink)
[10:51:22 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> i think I watch too much "How I met your mother" on tv
[10:51:32 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> I'll look for the presentation ... thanks, Eric
[10:51:48 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> we probably don't get that up here
[10:51:57 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> (smile)
[10:51:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no problem, if you feel so inclined to transcibe them into the up3 manual that would be great (smile)
[10:52:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i have a friend that really likes that show
[10:52:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i keep forgetting to watch
[10:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> based in new york, but 1 friend is from canada, they're always busting her chops.
[10:52:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> um, i have ottawa city bus tickets in my desk too
[10:52:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> speaking of canada
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[10:52:55 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> yeah
[10:54:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i also have my welcome-to-TP ham glaze
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[11:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Office Space (Bill Lumbergh) quote mapped into NOSCRIPT message ...
[11:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm> You have Javascript turned off!
[11:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Ummm...yeah... I'm gonna have to go ahead and ask you to turn that back on.
[11:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm> from Brightkite.com
[11:23:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nice
[11:24:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> the only way I can think of off the top of my hed is: help:effective-pom ?
[11:24:36 EDT(-0400)] <esm> you still have to troll thru the pom though
[11:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that's better than guessing
[11:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yup (smile)
[11:25:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm working on figuring out all of the repos I have to proxy in nexus to do a completely local-mirror based up3 build
[11:25:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ah yes
[11:25:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I wish you could define mirrors via URL
[11:25:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> instead of ID
[11:25:40 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i slowly build them up in my ~/.m2 settings.xml
[11:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which people randomly set
[11:25:47 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yes
[11:25:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm> (smile)
[11:26:37 EDT(-0400)] <esm> bbiab
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[12:13:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> esm: well effective-pom only sort-of helps
[12:13:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it doesn't help with transative stuff
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[12:14:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> mirroring by URL would be soooo much easier
[12:14:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm> aye
[12:14:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> well
[12:14:19 EDT(-0400)] <esm> (smile)
[12:14:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think I've tracked them all down just through trial and error though
[12:16:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it looks like up3 needs 5 different m2 repositories to build (tongue)
[12:16:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and 3 more snapshot repos are referenced (though not used in the prod build)
[12:17:21 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[12:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm thinking my settings.xml and my nexus config xml are going to make it on to a wiki page
[12:33:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> any suggested as to where in the manual http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPM30/Home I should add a page about using a local Maven repository proxy?
[12:37:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> dunno, but i was thinking maybe we could just use a section on building?
[12:37:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> copy over some of the information i sent in that email last night too
[12:37:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> describe the interesting build tasks
[12:37:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that sounds good
[12:41:21 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> yes, that sounds good to me too ... I am not sure where else you could put it ... but if I were looking for this type of information
[12:41:33 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> that would probably be the place I would start my search
[12:41:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
[12:42:55 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> would you like me to add Bob's information to your "theme" page, Eric?
[12:46:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sure that would be great
[12:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> okay
[12:47:39 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> I sent a note to this list
[12:48:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thanks (smile)
[12:48:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> feel free to make updates like that wherever you see the opportunity
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[12:53:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> too bad dstn isn't around, i was going to ask if he wanted any cube toys
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[13:10:15 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> do you output the results of "mvn site" anywhere? I put it up on my .mac account to see what it would look like (for uportal-impl)
[13:12:30 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> http://web.mac.com/mark_rogers/Maven/
[13:12:51 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> apparently, there are no uportal developers, Eric. (sad)
[13:13:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[13:13:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[13:13:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maintaining that list in the pom is a pain
[13:13:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so we just don't
[13:13:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and yes those are up somewhere: http://developer.ja-sig.org/
[13:14:37 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> oh yes ... very nice
[13:16:22 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> it seems like every commiter who wants his name in the pom.xml could put it there. that is if we cared.
[13:16:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[13:23:17 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> but how are you going to make one of those cool scrolling lists of contributors for the About box
[13:23:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> point them to ohloh (smile)
[13:24:47 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> ah, very nice http://www.ohloh.net/people?query=eric+dalquist&amp;x=0&amp;y=0
[13:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[13:25:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> except that isn't very good right now either
[13:25:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> when we renamed up2 -> uPortal ohloh can only see back to the rename
[13:25:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so it thinks uPortal is only like a month old
[13:28:00 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> the mysterious looking picture is nice though (wink)
[13:28:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[13:38:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> hm, ohloh seems to have a few versions of me
[13:38:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i should link those us
[13:38:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> er, up
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[14:03:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok, I have some basic Building uPortal info in the manual:
[14:03:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPM30/14+Building
[14:03:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the only real content is about maven proxies with an example config for using Nexus
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[14:41:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is it possible to sign up for a jasig mailing list in such a way that i could email the list but i wouldn't receive any mail?
[14:41:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think you need to go here: http://www.doit.wisc.edu/lists/wisclist/login.asp
[14:42:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and login for the list
[14:42:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> then you can change settings?
[14:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I haven't done it myself
[14:42:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but I know it is possible
[14:44:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah ok
[14:44:09 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> neat
[14:44:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i've never been able to figure out how to use the web ui
[14:44:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:44:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it isn't all that great
[14:44:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[14:44:59 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> slow
[14:45:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:45:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think most of their budget goes to the actual listserv servers
[14:45:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> vs the admin ui servers
[14:46:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh eric this is perfect, thanks!!
[14:46:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so i should be able to read all my mail on gmail
[14:46:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> glad it works (smile)
[14:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but send from my unicon account as appropriate
[14:47:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[14:47:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'd never found this magical screen before
[14:47:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> email lists are just so much easier to follow on gmail
[14:47:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i can actually keep up with them
[14:47:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> although it helps that jasig isn't high traffic (smile)
[14:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:48:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i suppose i could probably set up some kind of selective filter to forward ja-sig messages, but this is a lot easier
[14:50:43 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> you ever tried the 'threading' view with Thunderbird
[14:50:48 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> it's not too bad
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[15:28:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah, i have
[15:28:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it's not bad
[15:29:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> not great to navigate either though
[15:29:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'm not sure why gmail feels so different - i think it might be being able to see all the emails on the same page
[15:29:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> anyway, coffee time (smile)
[15:29:34 EDT(-0400)] <esm> mmfmfmgmfgmfmgfmg coffee
[15:29:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> LOL
[15:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <esm> esm:~/idea/workspace/embargo$ svnmerge init
[15:32:27 EDT(-0400)] <esm> svnmerge: no copyfrom info available. Explicit source argument (S/-source) required.
[15:32:28 EDT(-0400)] <esm> kill.
[15:32:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you need a newer version of svnmerge
[15:32:49 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i have trunk i think
[15:32:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[15:33:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I've only ever seen that using a packaged version
[15:33:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> esm:~/idea/workspace/embargo$ ls -l `which svnmerge`
[15:33:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20 May 9 15:21 /usr/local/bin/svnmerge -> ./svnmerge-r30181.py
[15:33:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> svnmerge --version
[15:33:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> svnmerge r28275
[15:33:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> modified: 2007-12-05 10:59:26 -0600 (Wed, 05 Dec 2007)
[15:33:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Copyright (C) 2004,2005 Awarix Inc.
[15:33:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Copyright (C) 2005, Giovanni Bajo
[15:33:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> after using mercurial, it reinforces svn's crappy merge support
[15:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <esm> esm:~/idea/workspace/embargo$ svnmerge --version
[15:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <esm> svnmerge r30181
[15:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> modified: 2008-04-02 09:48:18 -0400 (Wed, 02 Apr 2008)
[15:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Copyright (C) 2004,2005 Awarix Inc.
[15:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Copyright (C) 2005, Giovanni Bajo
[15:33:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> esm:~/idea/workspace/embargo$
[15:34:03 EDT(-0400)] <esm> hm
[15:34:04 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ok
[15:34:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm> well i'll specify a source for my branc.
[15:34:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> branch.
[15:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah looks like you're on a newwer version that me
[15:34:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh are you doing init on the trunk?
[15:34:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> no on a branch
[15:34:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> weird
[15:34:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah.
[15:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <esm> oh wait.
[15:35:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it is trunk.
[15:35:38 EDT(-0400)] <esm> duh nvm.
[15:35:42 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i was in the wrong wc
[15:35:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[15:36:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> good thing the weekend is just a few hours awar
[15:36:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> away*
[15:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm> no kidding.
[15:39:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> can i pull changes from a development branch into a trunk when the development branch is not a desendant of the trunk?
[15:39:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm not sure
[15:39:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm> kk here goes nothing then
[15:40:19 EDT(-0400)] <esm> actually they do share a parent nvm
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