uPortal IRC Logs-2006-09-19

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[2006-09-19 10:47:43] * Topic is 'go uP3 go' set by EricDalquist on 1,158,679,494,000
[2006-09-19 10:48:27] <EricDalquist> Ok, looks like it might finally be working 100%
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[2006-09-19 12:09:45] * Topic is 'go uP3 go' set by EricDalquist on 2006-09-19 10:24:54
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[2006-09-19 12:15:12] * Topic is 'go uP3 go' set by EricDalquist on 2006-09-19 10:24:54
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[2006-09-19 12:30:47] * Topic is 'go uP3 go' set by EricDalquist on 2006-09-19 10:24:54
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[2006-09-19 12:31:26] * Topic is 'go uP3 go' set by EricDalquist on 2006-09-19 10:24:54
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[2006-09-19 12:56:18] <EricDalquist> brad, how are you approaching having maven deploy uP3?
[2006-09-19 12:56:26] <EricDalquist> are we going to have some custom maven2 plugins?
[2006-09-19 12:56:52] <bszabo> I have not spent much time looking at that at the moment
[2006-09-19 12:58:10] <EricDalquist> ok more just a curiosity question than anything at this point, although I'm wondering if some of the refactoring tasks (like removing the JDOM dependency) would make that task easier
[2006-09-19 12:58:41] <bszabo> I was thinking about just using maven-antrun-plugin to basically call tasks such as deploy in a maven-ant-tasks.xml which would derive from the existing build.xml... just to get something out there.
[2006-09-19 13:02:33] <EricDalquist> sounds goood
[2006-09-19 13:04:06] <bszabo> The maven-tomcat-plugin is an option, but it uses the Tomcat Admin and would still need additional steps to deploy the context file and the shared libs
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[2006-09-19 13:25:31] <EricDalquist> One thought that I know had been brought up before was packaging uPortal 3 as an EAR (really thats what it is now with multiple webapps & shared libraries)
[2006-09-19 13:25:46] <EricDalquist> then if needed creating a EAR deployment tool for tomcat, which shouldn't be too difficult
[2006-09-19 13:25:53] <EricDalquist> it would also make deploying to other containers easier
[2006-09-19 13:27:52] <bszabo> Interesting. Sounds like a flexible approach. I have yet to write a maven plugin, but that sure sounds like a great intro!
[2006-09-19 13:28:34] <EricDalquist> and I'd be supprised if their wasn't a maven plugin already to generate the EARs so all we'd likely need to do is the EAR -> tomcat code
[2006-09-19 13:34:42] <bszabo> There is a maven-ear-plugin, so you are correct, we would just would need a plugin to decompose that and deploy it into a non JavaEE Server. Actually, I think that is a bit of overkill. We can add a maven-ear-plugin to package uP3 as an EAR, but then have a separate deployment process for non-JavaEE AS containers such as Tomcat. Interesting. I will have to look at that.
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[2006-09-19 13:36:37] <bszabo> The Bot is in charge?
[2006-09-19 13:36:59] <EricDalquist> lol
[2006-09-19 13:37:16] <EricDalquist> just wanted to set it to a level so it would always be able to join
[2006-09-19 13:37:38] <EricDalquist> not sure why chanserv opped it
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[2006-09-19 13:38:00] <EricDalquist> hrm
[2006-09-19 13:47:44] <ajanovski> i haven't used IRC for 8 years, but back then on Undernet, when I was the admin of a channel, there was a list of users that would automatically get op'ed when entering
[2006-09-19 13:48:22] <EricDalquist> I think I had set the JASIGLogBot user's level too high
[2006-09-19 13:48:52] <EricDalquist> freenode has this numerical level concept for different chanserv abilities, one is autoop and I set the bot's level above that
[2006-09-19 13:53:32] <ajanovski> ah yes, I forgot that this channel is not really registered
[2006-09-19 13:53:44] <EricDalquist> actually it is now
[2006-09-19 13:54:09] <EricDalquist> I think we ok to do that according to the freenode faq
[2006-09-19 13:54:31] <EricDalquist> hopefully we can establish some pretty steady usage and move to a normal #uportal channel eventually
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[2006-09-19 15:59:37] * peterk fought the firewalls and won !
[2006-09-19 15:59:47] <EricDalquist> yay
[2006-09-19 15:59:57] <EricDalquist> get the box at home back up?
[2006-09-19 16:00:46] <peterk> yes, provider changes IPs on me all the time. fortunately they haven't firewalled the whole network .. yet
[2006-09-19 16:02:32] <EricDalquist> :/ need a dyndns type service or something
[2006-09-19 16:02:51] <EricDalquist> well nothing too exciting in here right now, hopefully this irc channel will end up being usefull
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[2006-09-19 16:07:48] <EricDalquist> brb
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[2006-09-19 16:20:04] <bszabo> So Peter, would you mind enlightening me a little on how PermissionsManager should behave given the declarative nature of Acegi. Are you envisioning the continued use of IPermissible, and hence the RDBMPermissibleRegistry to maintain what portlets/channels can register permissions to be applied by the portal?
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[2006-09-19 16:21:29] <bszabo> I am a little behind on all of this and I am trying to better understand the design plans, since I am working on PermissionsManager Portlet
[2006-09-19 16:21:39] <peterk> ACEGI only deals with authrization checking ... not setting the permissions
[2006-09-19 16:22:12] <peterk> IPermissible is a construct that helps to delegate permission management (i.e. setting permissions) to the Permission Manager portlet
[2006-09-19 16:22:26] <peterk> so it's independent of what we're doing with ACEGI
[2006-09-19 16:26:05] <peterk> So in other words, there are no great plans around IPermissible. We should poll on -dev list to see if there are any suggestions on how it can be improved, but it seem to have worked well in uP2.
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[2006-09-19 16:28:13] <bszabo> Okay. Nick had started a discussion about that.
[2006-09-19 16:28:23] <peterk> where?
[2006-09-19 16:28:50] <bszabo> JA_SIG dev
[2006-09-19 16:29:20] <peterk> he asked about IAuthorizationService, which is a bit more general from IPermissible
[2006-09-19 16:29:28] <peterk> or at least different
[2006-09-19 16:32:00] <bszabo> There was a bit of discussion about IPermissible though http://search.gmane.org/?query=IPermissible&group=gmane.comp.java.jasig.uportal.devel
[2006-09-19 16:32:25] <bszabo> I guess it was Andrew that started it
[2006-09-19 16:33:15] <peterk> ok.
[2006-09-19 16:35:01] <peterk> So have you guys decided to redo permission manager UI/flow, or just redo more-or-less the same screens using Spring Portlet MVC?
[2006-09-19 16:35:33] <peterk> because the changes to IPermissible at this point infulence only permission manager portlet
[2006-09-19 16:37:44] <bszabo> It has essentially come down to same screens using Spring Portlet MVC
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[2006-09-19 16:38:15] <bszabo> Is that correct shawnlonas?
[2006-09-19 16:39:34] <peterk> so can these screens incorporate per-target activity info? essentially, whoever is working on these screen should evaluate proposed IPermissible changes with respect to UI capabilities
[2006-09-19 16:40:39] <deuce> the proposed ipermissible changes came out of the UE disscussions
[2006-09-19 16:42:01] <peterk> great, so it should be easy to incorporate them
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