uPortal IRC Logs-2007-09-20

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Last updated: Oct 09, 2007Version comment
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[08:59:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> mornin
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[11:01:03 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> EricDalquist: you around?
[11:01:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[11:01:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> tomcat 5.5 and catalina.out
[11:01:38 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm getting a ton of portal stuff in there that I wasn't before
[11:01:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 2.6?
[11:01:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yeah
[11:02:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> stats logging is writing stuff to the console
[11:02:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it has been turned down for 2.6.1
[11:02:15 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ah
[11:02:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you can probably browse the commits on the 2.6-patches branch to see ChrisH's fix for it
[11:02:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I was a bit shocked to see my catalina.out file be huge
[11:02:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I bet
[11:03:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> http://developer.ja-sig.org/source/changelog/jasigsvn/up2/branches/rel-2-6-patches
[11:03:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> r42356
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[11:04:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ah, so it looks like I can mod statsContext.xml and restart
[11:05:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that should do it
[11:05:05 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> w00t
[11:05:15 EDT(-0400)] * pberry heads off to the dev box
[11:05:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that was a cruel thing to do, whoever checked that in (wink)
[11:06:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[11:06:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'll let you go look through the svn annotations to see who did it
[11:07:51 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[11:16:54 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Looks like the election results are in
[11:17:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[11:17:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and I'm off the hook (wink)
[11:17:14 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the JA-SIG ones
[11:17:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[11:17:25 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> for the stakeholder stuff
[11:24:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> too much coffee this morning
[11:25:44 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that sounds unpossible, and yet I'll take your word for it
[11:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm not a coffee drinker
[11:26:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but this morning I gave my wife a ride to work and stopped at Starbucks with her
[11:26:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> a grande coffee is way more than I am used to
[11:26:38 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> mega triple venti large extreme mocha?
[11:29:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yay, less console output
[11:29:31 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> thanks Eric
[11:29:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
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[11:31:36 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we're about to deploy Google Analytics to our portal
[11:31:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that should be fun
[11:31:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> interesting
[11:31:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> for stats gathering?
[11:31:57 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yeah
[11:32:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Analytics just does such a good job
[11:32:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sounds very interesting
[11:32:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I and I'm sure others would love to hear/see how that works for you
[11:32:33 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> You bet
[11:32:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> are there any privacy issues? Like having private content on the page that google then has access to because of the JS include?
[11:33:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (just guessing as to how analytics works, I don't really know)
[11:33:14 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> They have a secure version of the js which we are using
[11:33:44 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ah, but like a script that went through the dom and then sent it all back
[11:34:00 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> We don't display confidential data
[11:34:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
[11:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that's all in the systems that we SSO people to
[11:34:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah I was thinking that would be neat here
[11:34:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but we display confidential info in the portal
[11:34:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so we couldn't include a third party JS library like that
[11:34:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> at least not without very strong assurances that the page is not parsed in any way
[11:35:25 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and would you really want to code review JavaScript everyday?
[11:35:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> could you take a minute and peek at http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPC/Building+and+Deploying+uPortal+3
[11:35:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and let me know if it is coherent?
[11:36:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I love the list of targets and goals for ant/maven
[11:37:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it isn't a full list but I figured the core few that people will run a lot are what is needed
[11:37:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'll admit that I'm an impatient person and always go to the Quick Start "type these commands in this order" doc
[11:37:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[11:38:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well impatient people are the ones I want to read this
[11:38:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since they are the ones that need it the most
[11:38:19 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> true
[11:38:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since you probably aren't going to read the full 3 page ant help output
[11:38:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> only when things go horribly wrong
[11:38:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[11:39:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> can you think of other ant targets you usually run that aren't on that page?
[11:39:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> once we get the new jasig server I think I'm going to see about installing that IRC cgi script that some other projects are using
[11:39:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I want to get more people using this channel
[11:40:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> well, as a sanity check I always run ant dbtest to be sure what DB I'm pointing at
[11:40:40 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> it's like saving after every sentence to me
[11:40:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[11:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> nuking the prod db would be less than optimal...
[11:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:42:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there are lots of warnings on the initportal and db tasks
[11:42:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I've seen plenty of emails from people that ran one of them against an important db
[11:42:56 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ick
[11:43:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:43:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> live and learn right?
[11:43:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yeah
[11:44:33 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Is trillian still the main PC IM all-in-one client?
[11:44:42 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I seem to remember it having support for irc
[11:45:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> With Pidgin 2.0 I would recommend that
[11:45:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I use it on linux and it is great
[11:45:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since it is free
[11:45:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and really has all the features that Trillian has
[11:47:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> irc is just one of those things that is still from a previous generation
[11:47:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:47:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the log bot is really nice
[11:47:47 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> I'm using Pidgin on Windows and I like it better than Trillian.
[11:48:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thanks ... it was fun to write
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[11:48:36 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> one thing that I've seen that kinda kicks irc into the present is Campfire
[11:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Campfire?
[11:49:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yeah, easiest way to explain is to show. head to http://pberry.tumblr.com and click on the Comments over on the right
[11:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> it's basically irc meets "Web 2.0"
[11:50:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[11:50:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah this IRC cgi script is similar though not as pretty
[11:53:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it would be nice if there was a 'less' like function with the Ant echo task
[11:56:04 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> to deal with the 3 pages of help output
[11:56:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yu[
[11:56:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[11:57:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> anybody thinking about http://www.highedweb.org/2007/
[11:58:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nope
[11:59:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> windows has 'more' right?
[12:03:40 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> hrm
[12:04:01 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yes
[12:04:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> good
[12:04:19 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and yet they can't figure out ls
[12:04:24 EDT(-0400)] * pberry grumbles
[12:05:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> cygwin
[12:06:09 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> not worth it at this point. I'm using Parallels to run Outlook
[12:06:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> If Outlook didn't need Windows, I would be set!
[12:06:45 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and I mean the "good" Outlook, not that junk they put out for OS X
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[13:28:12 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> okay, you can't blame me for scaring everyone away today
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[13:59:25 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> colinclark: congrats!
[13:59:33 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Thanks very much!
[14:01:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I let petro and wills badger me into running, but it looks like good decisions were made (wink)
[14:03:57 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Well, I'm sure you would have been a great candidate. (smile)
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[15:12:29 EDT(-0400)] * EricDalquist thinks he is going to have to start offering bribes to check out and test uportal+maven
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[15:49:54 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> EricDalquist: I would go with free t-shirts or ponies
[15:50:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[15:50:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ponies huh?
[15:51:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> man, I always have a hard time concentrating after lunch
[16:21:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm in a burrito coma
[16:23:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so could I offer you a pony to check out the mavenized uPortal and try out my instructions page?
[16:24:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> make sure it passes the 'burrito coma' test
[16:25:43 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[16:25:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[16:25:51 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> OS X or windows or do you care?
[16:25:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> or linux
[16:25:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> up to you
[16:26:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> they both should work
[16:26:17 EDT(-0400)] * pberry tries to remember where maven2 is installed...
[16:26:32 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> okay, OS X it is!
[16:38:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> EricDalquist: trunk checkout?
[16:39:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no ... up2-working-maven branch
[16:39:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> er
[16:39:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 'working-maven'
[16:39:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/up2/branches/working-maven2
[16:40:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> pulling it down
[16:43:35 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ha, good thing I have a 2.6 quickstart here for hsql
[16:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[16:43:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm working on the hsql target right now
[16:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just realized I forgot to move it over
[16:47:20 EDT(-0400)] * pberry watches maven download the internet
[16:47:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think when I did a clean repo test it needs 81MB of stuff
[16:47:45 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> It will be nice to have a local copy though...
[16:47:52 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> (wink)
[16:47:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though the uportal svn checkout is half the size
[16:48:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though that 81MB includes all of the generated uPortal artifacts
[16:48:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> BUILD FAILED
[16:48:52 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> 7 required artifacts are missing.
[16:49:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[16:49:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which target did you run?
[16:49:30 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ant dbtest (wink)
[16:49:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ahh
[16:49:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
[16:49:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> need to update the docs
[16:49:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> run 'ant bootstrap'
[16:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> it's just habit...
[16:49:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you have to run that before you do anything
[16:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sticks stuff in your local repo that isn't in any public repo or the jasig repo yet
[16:50:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> this is why people testing is good (smile)
[16:51:35 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> no arguments there
[16:51:41 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yay, ant dbtest is happy
[16:51:58 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> so, now initportal
[16:51:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> cool
[16:52:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[16:52:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> initportal runs bootstrap for you
[16:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which is why I forgot to document it
[16:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> so, if I wasn't paranoid the docs would be perfect (smile)
[16:52:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thats good though
[16:55:29 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> 3075K2382/3075K2383/3075K2386
[16:55:32 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that look familiar?
[16:55:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[16:55:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thats what you get when maven prints out download info through ant
[16:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ugly
[16:55:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but unavoidable I believe
[16:56:03 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> teh sexxy
[16:56:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maven is doing command line special character tricks
[16:56:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but ant strips those characters
[16:57:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> BUILD SUCCESSFUL
[16:57:15 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> now to start tomcat
[16:57:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> woohoo
[16:58:00 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> holy crap
[16:58:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[16:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> what should the powered by be?
[16:58:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[16:58:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the text on the login page
[16:58:58 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Powered by uPortal ...
[16:58:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah ... um I'm not sure
[16:59:11 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> mine says 2.6.0
[16:59:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> is it something else?
[16:59:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh yeah
[16:59:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 2.6.0 since that was the last release
[16:59:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and I haven't bothered changing it
[16:59:39 EDT(-0400)] * pberry makes it 2.6.0-crazy-eric-maven2-branch
[17:02:56 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> okay, things seem okay...
[17:03:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[17:03:28 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> anything more specific I need to test before you ship me my free pony?
[17:03:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay ... thats 4 people now that have gotten it up and running
[17:03:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nope
[17:03:37 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> woohoo
[17:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'll get on that pony
[17:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Free pony!
[17:03:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it may have to wait till the conference
[17:03:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ponies are expensive to ship
[17:03:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> this is true
[17:03:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maybe I can fit it in carryon though
[17:04:07 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> FedEx has a restraining order on me for the last one...
[17:04:18 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> some companies have no sense of humor
[17:04:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[17:06:27 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Hey EricDalquist, do we all get free ponies?
[17:06:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> (tongue)
[17:06:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[17:06:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> look what you started pberry
[17:06:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm going to have to quit coding and become a pony rancher
[17:07:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the huge upside to that will be getting people to do whatever you want!
[17:07:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> "Wash my car." "Why?" "Free pony." "OKAY!"
[17:08:09 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> "Test my portal code." "I'm busy." "Free pony." "OKAY!"
[17:29:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> fyi I just added a hsql target to the build
[17:40:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> cool
[17:41:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Also updaing the build docs with info about the bootstrap task and a troubleshooting secion
[17:41:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> section
[17:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I apparently can't hit t reliably
[17:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Updated site: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPC/Building+and+Deploying+uPortal+3
[18:03:02 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> so, what the worst that can happen if catalina.out is deleted while tomcat is running?
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[18:19:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hey pberry
[18:20:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think you just stop getting stuff written to it
[18:20:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think TC will keep running
[18:20:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though don't quote me on that
[18:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
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[19:37:20 EDT(-0400)] * pberry is just coming out of the burrito coma
[19:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and just in time to think about heading home...
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