uPortal IRC Logs-2010-05-19

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[11:43:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> can anyone here think of a reason it would be bad to include each person's jasig username on this page: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/LIC/Completed+Contributor+Agreements
[11:43:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm thinking it would be handy to have something like this: http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
[11:43:37 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> Greetings uPortal devs: http://uportal.pastebin.com/pHS5x5WH I've found a login issue from the trace I think it may be missing data in the portal database. Has anyone here seen this trace by chance?
[11:44:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> " THE SITE IS IN READ-ONLY MODE AS WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING HOSTER, SOME PASTES MIGHT BE MISSING FOR A FEW HOURS"
[11:44:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> thats all I see at pastebin right now (sad)
[11:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> oh. ok. sorry for the interruption. I'll chekc w/ the dba's on site.
[11:44:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> not your issue
[11:44:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there may be other pastebin like services out there
[11:45:09 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> oh ok. I' can put it on another one and post. just a moment...
[11:46:14 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> here on http://pastie.org/967806 ..
[11:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> this is only in development and not production server.
[11:47:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[11:47:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there have been a few reports in the past of a missing guest user
[11:47:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> not sure if anyone has figured out why it has gone missing
[11:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the fix has been to re-import the guest.user file I believe
[11:47:44 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> I thought org.jasig.portal.RDBMUserIdentityStore.__getPortalUID(RDBMUserIdentityStore.java:327) may mean database
[11:47:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:48:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah, sounds like the guest user or something important about it is missing from the db
[11:48:43 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> EricDalquist (regarding the committer ids) it would probably be worth individually asking each of the existing committers, it's a hard thing to take back, if anyone objects. I would be fine with my id, next to my name.
[11:48:46 EDT(-0400)] <b-rock> ok. Thanks EricDalquist. Its possible our dba group has modified something in the dev db
[11:51:14 EDT(-0400)] <awills> EricDalquist i think it would be fine... the names themselves are already public, only the link to real name is new... and 90%+ are inferable
[11:51:30 EDT(-0400)] <awills> *the SVN names are already public
[11:51:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> right and since we have the People Directory enabled in confluence
[11:52:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i have no problem with having my commiter username posted
[11:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that makes your confluence displayname->usename public
[11:52:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and once we get this migration to contegix done we'll finally have people on a single username for all services
[11:52:38 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> i doubt anyone would object
[11:52:44 EDT(-0400)] <awills> i also have no issue with that... in fact i took the time to make that link explicitly on Ohloh
[11:52:49 EDT(-0400)] * athena did too
[11:52:53 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> but if someone did, it's a real PITA to eliminate all the sites that could have 'captured' that data
[11:53:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> UHG ... crowd only lets me add users to a group by email or username
[11:53:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it seems like it'd be hard to expect anonymity when contributing to an open source project
[11:53:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ugly
[11:53:11 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> like google, etc.
[11:53:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> unless you use an alias on email lists and such or something
[12:35:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena> heh
[12:36:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so i figured i'd need to add logic so that DLM fragment admins could delete portlets that were marked unremovable
[12:36:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> turns out you actually can't do that w/ the DLM user preferences channel
[12:36:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> have to mark it deletable first
[12:41:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[12:41:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which is a PITA
[12:41:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[12:41:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> course, i suspect that's an issue on the back-end, not just the front
[12:41:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> back on in a little bit
[12:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> though maybe at least if the permissions are easy to edit and don't require a refresh it won't be such a pain
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[14:12:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> EricDalquist: so spring 3 next week or so, you said?
[14:13:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> crosses fingers
[14:13:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yes
[14:13:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nick and I are on furlough on Friday
[14:13:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so we're spending all day on pluto 2
[14:13:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ah right
[14:13:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah (smile)
[14:13:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> awesome!
[14:13:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so right now
[14:13:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena> trying to decide what to do w/ the DLM fragment stuff
[14:13:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the pluto 2 branch renders portlets
[14:13:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> one big bug I need to fix is for portlets request.contextPath always returns /uPortal
[14:13:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> might add stuff to UpdatePreferencesServlet for now, since i'll have to work through the DLM code even w/ the REST change
[14:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ah (smile)
[14:13:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and Nick is going to work on merging the URL branch into the pluto 2 branch
[14:13:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which we'll then merge into trunk
[14:14:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> awesome (smile)
[14:14:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lots of merging fun
[14:14:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that sounds great!
[14:14:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yes lol
[14:14:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds great though!
[14:14:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but that means the end result is pluto 2 + the new URL syntax
[14:17:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:17:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> really exciting!
[14:17:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that's this friday?
[14:17:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well thats when the work is happening
[14:18:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the question is do we get far enough to merge back
[14:18:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> gotcha
[14:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:18:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> keep in mind when we do that merge
[14:18:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> all channels stop working
[14:18:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yep
[14:18:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and there is no error portlet yet
[14:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena> haha
[14:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so you just get an error in the logs
[14:18:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:18:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and an empty portlet space
[14:18:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> gotcha
[14:18:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena> (smile)
[14:18:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and probably lots of rough edges
[14:18:32 EDT(-0400)] <athena> better than crashing the whole portal at least though (smile)
[14:18:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:18:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> that's ok
[14:20:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:20:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the new rendering code already is better than the old
[14:20:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> if a portlet times out it does a thread.interrupt to try and free up the thread
[14:20:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so hopefully that means less stuff hanging on stuck UI
[14:20:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> er IO
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[14:29:02 EDT(-0400)] <awills> nice
[14:30:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> also I think I have code in progress that will log the stack trace of the thread when it times out
[14:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the last thing to do is a proxy for all portlet APIs that upon timeout any portlet API call throws a PortletTimedoutException
[14:41:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> oh nice
[14:41:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> speaking of such things
[14:42:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it looks like a lot of the HttpSession errors people are reporting are the result of AJAX calls taking more than 500 ms
[14:44:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 500ms?
[14:44:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah the default timeout
[14:44:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:44:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there are A LOT of weird errors you get when interacting with a timed out request
[14:44:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which is the goal of adding that proxy with timeout checking
[14:44:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:44:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sounds good to me
[14:45:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> woudl be great to get a more intuitive error message for that
[14:45:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> course, i bet our ajax portlets will function a lot better without 302 redirects
[14:45:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:45:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> kinda slow
[14:45:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yes
[14:45:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena> (smile)
[14:45:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> resource URLs will be good
[14:45:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yes
[14:45:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> another thing 'd like to do is have per request type timeouts
[14:45:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> like being able to specify render, action and resource timeouts
[14:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since you may want to allow render and resource URLs to take a 'long time'
[14:46:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but actions should be short
[14:46:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> er renders
[14:46:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[14:46:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena> makes sense to me!
[14:47:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> well, i've got dialogs working for editing DLM permissions on portlets and tabs
[14:48:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> need to do the same for columns
[14:48:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and then add code to persist the permissions, which shouldn't be too bad
[14:48:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nice
[14:48:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so basically what i decided to do is to add a link to the bottom of the tab flyout
[14:48:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and an icon to the portlet toolbar
[14:49:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> both of which launch appropriate permission editng modal dialogs
[14:49:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> probably not perfect, but i don' tthink it's too terrible, and we can always re-examing the UI later
[14:49:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:49:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> functional for now
[14:49:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and we can get the UI folks to do some actual review
[14:50:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yep
[14:50:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> progress
[14:50:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yes
[15:14:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> crowed 1.3's group editing is PAINFUL
[15:14:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you have to find the user
[15:14:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> switch to their groups tab
[15:14:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> then add the group
[15:15:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> adding 50+ users to one group this way is no fun
[15:15:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and you can't search on full name
[15:15:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just username or email
[15:15:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> arg
[15:24:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> eeep
[15:24:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena> no good
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[15:47:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'm going to be so glad not to have to look at this UpdatePreferencesServlet monstrosity anymore.
[15:47:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[15:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena> such a pile of spagghetti
[15:47:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:47:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so much of that old code is
[15:47:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it really grew into an evil monster (tongue)
[15:48:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> we'll have to think about what we want the rest services to be like
[15:49:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:49:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we need to start a wiki page to spec them out
[15:49:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> also data transfer formats
[15:49:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[15:49:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> for example Nexus uses Json going into the server and XML coming out
[15:49:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena> not going to be trivial exactly
[15:49:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but it's all good stuff
[15:49:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena> huh, interesting
[15:49:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:49:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> not sure why
[15:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena> any idea why?
[15:49:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ah, ok
[15:50:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> seems like a pretty weird decision
[15:50:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think we'd generally want JSON out
[15:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:50:09 EDT(-0400)] <athena> though it'd be nice to get to pick
[15:50:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well in theory you could
[15:50:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> eyah
[15:50:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> with the spring 3 stuff
[15:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just switch the view
[15:50:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yep (smile)
[15:50:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> er view renderer
[15:50:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ugh i hate trying to track down code in the old channels
[15:51:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> trying to figure out how it's saving DLM permissions
[15:52:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:52:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> some of that stuff seems so complex
[15:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[15:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena> luckily i think this is pretty straightforward
[15:52:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> just finding the code to confirm my suspicions that's hard (tongue)
[15:53:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[15:53:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> oh cool
[15:54:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it really is just what i thought
[15:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> node.setMoveAllowed(true);
[15:54:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena> (smile)
[15:54:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nice
[15:54:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena> easy enough
[15:56:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'm guessing we may want a number of REST services to replace this one servlet
[15:56:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> we'll see
[15:57:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but things like "update the permissions for a layout note" seem like a reasonable thing to have be a REST call
[15:57:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
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<EricDalquist> issue a POST to /layouts/

Unknown macro: {id}

/nodes/


[15:58:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena> this pile of methods is sort of without logic or tests
[15:58:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah (smile)
[15:58:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena> seems pretty reasonable
[15:58:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena> though dunno if we really want to require the layout id
[15:59:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what if the user has multiple layouts?
[15:59:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah, we have to handle that
[15:59:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena> the current code doens't really know the id though
[16:00:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i think it gets stuff based on the request? not sure
[16:01:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah yeah
[16:01:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena> doing it based on request seems reasonable
[16:02:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> though there might be some sort of use case where we'd build an admin use case around targeting a specific layout
[16:02:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena> would want some permissions checks for that one
[16:02:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> right
[16:08:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> so what oustanding importan channels do we have?
[16:08:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena> DLM Fragments
[16:08:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> Error
[16:08:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena> CUser
[16:08:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> anything else?
[16:09:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sounds about right
[16:09:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> error is going to need a lot of … thought
[16:36:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah
[16:36:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i know CError actually had a lot of complex funcitonality that probably no one's thought about in a really long time
[16:37:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we will be better off because errors will be scoped to the window instead of the entity
[16:37:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which will be good
[16:37:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yale thought about using some of that at one point to deal w/ CAS ticket errors
[16:37:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and we can talk about which errors are persistent
[16:37:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena> cant' remember if we did or not
[16:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> heeeeeeeeey it works
[16:42:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> seems like this shouldn't be too bad
[16:44:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> athena: mmoayyed doesn't appear to be right
[16:45:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ooh, that's JIRA
[16:45:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> same with billbrown
[16:45:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena> didn't even notice
[16:45:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena> sorry about that!
[16:45:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena> forgot our usernames aren't tied together yet
[16:45:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no problem
[16:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the others worked
[16:45:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[16:45:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> another good thing with this migration of services
[16:45:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena> it may be that some people actually don't have accounts
[16:45:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah (smile)
[16:46:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> manuals are all restricted
[16:46:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> penning the licensing wiki page now
[16:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena> excellent
[16:47:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i'd still like to confirm that we really can't re-use any of the content until everyone signs
[16:47:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[16:47:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that would be good
[16:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I can also look into making a list of pages without complete ICLA coverage
[16:48:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena> actually that'd be great
[16:48:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> if you have time to do that i could probably start moving over and updating some content
[16:48:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and then our documentation guru can be responsible for arranging it
[16:49:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sounds good
[16:49:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> should this page be in the Licensing space or the uPortal space
[16:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena> i have no idea (smile)
[16:51:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena> ugh i officially drank too much coffee
[16:52:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena> just so you know i'll be a little on and off the for the rest of the week
[16:52:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
[16:52:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena> movers arrive tomorrow
[16:53:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> fun (smile)
[16:53:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> yeah (tongue)
[16:53:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena> more fun that doing it myself, at least!
[16:56:51 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> are you more excited about getting to seattle or more sad about leaving new haven?
[17:00:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena> more excited
[17:00:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena> of course, being eager to get the move over with helps
[17:01:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena> but i've been wanting to move back to seattle since i was six
[17:01:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and never planned to stay in new haven past graduation
[17:01:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena> and now i get to enjoy all the nice summer weather there (smile)
[17:01:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena> think it's going to be a good move - lots to do, and we found a place that should be good
[17:04:54 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> cool.
[17:07:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena> aright, i'm off for now
[17:07:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena> gotta pack suitcases
[17:07:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena> talk to you guys tomorrow!
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