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[11:10:57 EDT(-0400)] <WilliamGu> hi all
[11:11:17 EDT(-0400)] <WilliamGu> this is a freshman for uportal
[11:11:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hello
[11:13:17 EDT(-0400)] <WilliamGu> hello EricDalquist, i'm just setting up the dev env with uportal
[11:13:47 EDT(-0400)] <WilliamGu> here is the support channel i suppose
[11:15:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well, this channel is primarily used by uportal developers but we try to provide some support, the best place to go with questions on setting up uPortal is the uportal-user email list: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/JSG/uportal-user
[11:20:09 EDT(-0400)] <WilliamGu> ok i see, it is useful, nice to talk to you, Eric
[11:21:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no problem
[11:31:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> freshman for uportal 
[11:31:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i like it, that's cute
[11:31:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
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[12:24:56 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> dang
[12:24:59 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> so annoying
[12:25:01 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> 
[12:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> ?
[12:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> tomct doesn't load uPortal at aaall
[12:25:19 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> tomcat*
[12:25:27 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> and logs don't help
[12:25:37 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> what uportal & tomcat?
[12:26:16 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> tomcat5.5
[12:26:18 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> up2.6
[12:26:35 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> http://uportal.pastebin.com/d6977be0b < error from tomcat
[12:28:04 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> hmm, gonna need more info. Do you see in traces in catalina.out?
[12:28:21 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> see any traces*
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[12:34:48 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> no
[12:34:55 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> I'm launching from eclipse
[12:37:44 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> yooooooooooooooo
[12:37:45 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> GOT IT
[12:37:46 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> dang
[12:37:47 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> 
[12:37:51 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> \o/
[12:38:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what was the problem?
[12:38:24 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> this thing is running some other stuff that needs separate compilation right?
[12:38:37 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> the order was crucial... I tried several different orders...
[12:39:02 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> I had to compile uPortal, then a specific one, than another, then their plugins
[12:39:04 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> :S
[12:39:13 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> failing to do in that order rendered in erros
[12:39:16 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> errors*
[12:39:18 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ARGH
[12:39:21 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> 2 days
[12:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> to figure this crap out
[12:39:29 EDT(-0400)] <levifig>
[12:39:34 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> hmm cool, congrats
[12:39:37 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> :-D
[12:43:08 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> thanks
[12:43:09 EDT(-0400)] <levifig>
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[13:16:42 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> another question is
[13:21:01 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> why isn't the guest view assuming the theme from guest-lo
[13:21:02 EDT(-0400)] <levifig>
[13:22:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> hm
[13:22:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is it actually supposed to?
[13:22:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I doubt it
[13:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> that was my thought
[13:22:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I don't think layout fragments contribute to the theme parameters at all
[13:22:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> you'll likely have multiple fragments
[13:22:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so it wouldn't necessarily make sense to assume the theme of one of the fragments
[13:22:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> since we wouldn't know which one to use
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[13:51:00 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> i might have to create a login-only view then
[13:51:05 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> customized the way I want
[13:51:18 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> create an intro page with the login, etc..
[13:51:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you can always just login as the guest user and set that user's theme
[13:52:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I don't think the guest user has a password set by default so you would need to set one first:
[13:52:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> run 'ant md5passwd -Dusername=guest' in the uPortal-src directory
[13:52:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that should let you change the guest user's password
[13:53:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you can log in as the guest user and change the skin
[13:53:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though you'll likely need to restart uportal after doing that to see the changes since the guest layout is cached
[13:54:18 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ill do that in a sec
[13:54:25 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> im gonna pack and head down to the office
[13:54:26 EDT(-0400)] <levifig>
[13:54:28 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> brb
[13:56:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> we really should fix that someday
[13:56:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[13:56:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the caching?
[13:56:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> the guest layout being cached forever and every
[13:56:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[13:56:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
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[13:56:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it was never the intention to leave it that way
[13:56:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> another 'it should be a lot easier in 3.0'
[13:56:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> from what i gather
[13:56:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[13:57:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> like it should be just a few lines to replace it with an ehcache backed Map
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[14:21:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm not sure these .dict files all over in uPortal were used for anything other than reference data
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[14:28:11 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> back
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[14:45:56 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> "The jar commons-logging-1.1.jar has no source attachment." <<
[14:45:59 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> what is this?
[14:46:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> from eclipse?
[14:46:12 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> yes
[14:46:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> with up3?
[14:46:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh no
[14:46:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> never mind that last question
[14:46:28 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> on Log4JLogger.class
[14:46:30 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> hehe
[14:46:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so eclipse is trying to show you the source of the file
[14:46:35 EDT(-0400)] * levifig = EiNZTEiN
[14:46:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but you haven't 'attached' (associated) the source code with the .jar
[14:46:57 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> hm
[14:47:00 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> is that relevant?
[14:47:01 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> 
[14:47:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> only if you want to look at the source code
[14:47:13 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> oh ok
[14:47:23 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> cuz that was on a "random" file
[14:47:30 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> so far the ones I needed to look at are fine
[14:47:30 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> 
[14:47:38 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> just got a lil worried by that msg
[15:31:59 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> EricDalquist, when I do the ant md5password it stops on requesting password for user guest
[15:32:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> enter it twice, hitting return after each
[15:32:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I seem to recall it not prompting the second time :/
[15:32:35 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> jumps to the next line and it waits input but when i add the passwd and click enter (which is shown in clear text on the screen))
[15:32:40 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ohh
[15:32:41 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ok
[15:32:57 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> bingo
[15:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> :o
[15:33:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah ... one of those tools that gets used to rarely it isn't all that polished
[15:33:32 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ya
[15:33:34 EDT(-0400)] <levifig>
[15:33:38 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> it didn't work though
[15:33:47 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> logged out user still gets "spring" theme
[15:33:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you logged in
[15:33:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> changed the skin
[15:34:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and restarted the portal?
[15:34:07 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> oh
[15:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> eeek
[15:34:11 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> my bad
[15:34:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> setting the password just allows you to log in as the guest user
[15:34:27 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> not used to this stuff yet ... when i do webdev/design everything is always live
[15:34:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[15:34:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah, it would be nice to have a way to clear the guest ui cache .... eventually
[15:35:14 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> i did login and change the theme... didnt restart uportal though
[15:35:33 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> it worked
[15:35:35 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> you rock =D
[15:35:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> heh, glad I could help
[15:36:02 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ya
[15:36:08 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> I though guest-lo owned that
[15:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> :/
[15:36:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so all guests to the portal are the 'guest' user
[15:36:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> -lo accounts are fragment owners
[15:36:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the guest-lo fragment is targeted just to the guest user
[15:36:51 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> that's what it looks like from reading the logged out page "whence came this tab?"
[15:37:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah yeah, that would make sense
[15:37:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we need a big dictionary of terms
[15:37:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since that tab game from guest-lo
[15:37:13 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> hehe
[15:37:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but the overall layout comes from the actual user
[15:37:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> all these layers of abstraction
[15:40:28 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> hehe
[15:41:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and hopefully as you work with it these things are making more and not less sense
[15:41:22 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> yup... it's starting to make more sense as we go
[15:41:49 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> well... not sure if "sense" is the right word... maybe "they're becoming more.... familiar"
[15:41:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> for local development there are some settings in portal.properties to turn off a bunch of the caching
[15:41:59 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ya
[15:42:01 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> I'll do that
[15:42:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I don't think you can disable the guest layout caching though :/
[15:42:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just search in that file for the word cache, hopefully the properties are self explanitory
[15:42:50 EDT(-0400)] <levifig> ya
[15:42:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though you will need to turn them back on before letting more than one or two people on the system simultaneously or performance will be terrible
[15:46:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> athena7: does jquery have a 'compressed' distribution?
[15:47:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i think we're currently using the minified one
[15:47:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok ... yeah it looks like the main js is, but all the ui. ones aren't
[15:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm watching in firebug at page sizes
[15:47:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[15:47:42 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'm not sure if the ui libs are available yet in compressed form
[15:47:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> let me look
[15:47:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> for the main distribution, there is a packed version
[15:48:09 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but they recommend the minified version for production deployments
[15:48:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> says "The packed version requires non-trivial client-side processing time to uncompress the code."
[15:48:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> for the student welcome tab html=49K, CSS=47K, JS=306K, img=471K
[15:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[15:48:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah so we probably don't want that
[15:49:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I wonder if there is a servlet filter that will set the cache headers for all of the js and css
[15:49:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> wonder when they're going to release the 1.5 ui package
[15:49:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> still in beta, which may be why it isn't compressed
[15:50:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[15:52:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it'd be really pretty cool if the uportal deployment magically minified javascript
[15:52:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[15:52:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm thinking it, in theory, would be possible for a filter to set some of the cache control and not-modified headers for the js and css files
[15:55:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah, we'd just need to make sure that it doesn't prevent users from getting updates when we do actually change things
[15:55:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:58:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> by the way, i tried scott's suggestion for the cas stuff and it didn't seem to make a difference
[15:58:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> :/
[15:58:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is there anyone that knows cas well that might be able to take a look at it?
[15:58:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well he lurks on the IRC logs so we'll see if he has any other suggestions
[15:58:44 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ok
[15:59:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i really don't know any of that code, so it's not something i'm going to be able to debug quickly
[15:59:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no problem, I'll poke him or andrew about it as time permits
[16:00:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> sounds great
[16:00:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'm checking out the jquery trunk now to see if they've got a minifying build script in there
[16:00:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh so all those .dict files in the framework ... they appear to just be reference files for the corresponding localized xsl files
[16:04:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[16:04:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the i18n data.xml file is where the bad channel titles were coming from
[16:04:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so those have all be reduced to just a commented out example with instructions
[16:04:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since no one was maintaining the data anyways :/
[16:04:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> sounds good to me
[16:11:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i found the minifier jquery uses
[16:11:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so i'll try it out on the ui libs
[16:11:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> awesome, thanks
[16:12:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yep
[16:12:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm going to look into a simple Fitler impl that implements last-modified support
[16:12:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> cool
[16:12:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena7>
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