uPortal IRC Logs-2007-08-31

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[09:49:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay Friday!
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[12:02:27 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> EricDalquist welcome to Friday
[12:02:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so I have the SVN commit hook script ready to go
[12:02:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just waiting for an OK from ScottB to stick it in
[12:08:10 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> neat. Sounds like the kind of thing that would be usefully discussed on a jasig-dev@
[12:08:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> already was a while ago
[12:08:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> said I was going to put it in this week
[12:08:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'll send a notice out right before I put it in
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[12:20:48 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> oh, I know it was discussed. Discussion has been sufficient. That was a plug for my jasig-dev@ list idea.
[12:22:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah I didn't even catch that
[12:23:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that would be a handy list for the core jasig project developers
[12:25:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2007/08/31/the_laptop_herring.html
[12:25:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> if you deal with meetings...
[12:26:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[12:26:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I only attend them so far
[13:50:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the new commit hook is all set
[13:50:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so now people at least have to acknowledge they don't have a Jira issue for the commit
[13:51:49 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[13:52:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> really JA-SIG folks seem very good about tracking commits with jira
[14:51:13 EDT(-0400)] * EricDalquist wants maven 2.1 :/
[14:51:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well I really just want the prepare-package phase
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[17:16:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oi
[17:16:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> anyone want to help with an ant classpath issue?
[17:17:11 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> eh. I'm really distracted with the day job just now
[17:17:28 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> but if you're looking for longer term troubleshooting, post or ping me something to look at and I'll get to it
[17:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> actually I think I realized my problem
[17:17:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though I don't know how to fix it
[17:18:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maven hands me a property with the plugin's classpath which is : delemited
[17:18:26 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> right
[17:18:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I need to figure out how to convert that property into a path object that ant can use
[17:18:35 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> and it's semicolons on everyone's favorite MS OS
[17:19:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I was trying to use a <filelist> but that expects a , delimited list
[17:19:52 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> http://xkcd.com/208/
[17:20:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I love xkcd
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[17:20:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay!
[17:20:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that worked
[17:21:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the pathelement tag is smart enough to interpret both the : and ; characters
[17:21:09 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> nice.
[17:21:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ant is so smart (some times)
[17:21:15 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> indeed.
[17:21:25 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> ever written an Ant task?
[17:21:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[17:21:35 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> not the goofy thing we do with targets that invoke Java mains
[17:21:41 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> actually implementing Task or whatever it is
[17:21:42 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> much fun
[17:21:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> helped with the pluto 1.1 assembler stuff
[17:21:48 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> right up there with writing custom JSP tags
[17:22:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though the newish jsp .tag files are the coolest
[17:22:21 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> eh
[17:22:33 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> I pretty rapidly wish I were back in the Java for some of it
[17:22:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah ... I guess it depends on what the tag is doing
[17:24:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so do you just have a big list of xkcd comics ready to be pasted at a moments notice?
[17:25:34 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> doesn't everybody?
[17:27:13 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> not everybody
[17:27:16 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> off for the weekend
[17:27:18 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> have fun folks
[17:27:23 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> not too much fun, though
[17:27:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> bye
[17:28:57 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> I was ordering t-shirts from xkcd last night as prizes/motivators for the support team
[17:29:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> nice
[17:29:35 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> I'm going to use them to talk through some of what we need to be doing. E.g., "Stand back, I'm going to try Science!" is going to be accompanied by a couple articles I found likening software troubleshooting to chemistry lab
[17:29:46 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> importance of scientific method, forming and testing hypothesis, keeping a "lab notebook"
[17:29:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> "I know perl!"
[17:29:56 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> perl's good, we can use that
[17:30:05 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> Shall I send you a link to our available jobs page?
[17:30:41 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> you know, someday I'm going to get in trouble for my playful banter.
[17:31:11 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[17:31:16 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> this is logged you know
[17:31:27 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> indeed. That's part of what makes it okay.
[17:31:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oi ... I am getting more and more tempted to just say the -maven branch is done and we won't have automated portlet deployment until we get to pluto 1.1
[17:31:53 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> mmmm
[17:32:01 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> how long is that until?
[17:32:20 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> how not automated is it?
[17:32:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well right now I think the order is Finish Maven, Springify, Pluto 1.1
[17:32:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I could probably have a manual deployPortletApp that works
[17:32:50 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> get Drew Wills to do it. Crn can do anything.
[17:32:54 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I didn't know you spoke Finish
[17:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but with the way maven builds the EAR and the way pluto1.0 needs to re-write the web.xml problems arrise
[17:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> oh... "finish"
[17:33:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since the portlet WARs are named things like: BookmarksPortlet-1.0.7.war
[17:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> even though the ear deployment leaves them named things like BookmarksPortlet.war
[17:34:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so the web.xml I get portlet descriptors like BookmarksPortlet-1.0.7.BookmarksPortlet
[17:34:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which both is not correct for the end product and falls into a pluto 1.0 bug of having .s in the webapp name
[17:36:21 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> What if we temporarily make the default portlets part of the uPortal webapp and hard code their portlet.xml-derived servlet declarations in web.xml
[17:36:41 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> which is really painful but lets us move forward with mavenized build and is so painful we're guaranteed to revisit
[17:36:52 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> that's by way of random idea. Probably not a good idea.
[17:36:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is likely more work that just getting pluto 1.0 deployment working
[17:38:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[17:38:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> looks like there may be some ear plugin options to fix this
[17:44:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay I think I have a fix
[17:44:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay for lots of tools
[17:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maven calling ant calling cernunnos
[17:44:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and all three are needed
[17:53:38 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> this sounds like one of those virtual machine nesting contests...which all end in running C-64
[17:53:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
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[20:00:04 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'virtualizing the virtual machine' set by apetro_work_desk on 2007-08-31 20:00:04 EDT(-0400)
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