[09:05:25 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Our stats recorder quit recording a few days ago--I haven't found the log message yet
[09:05:51 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hrm, there was an issue around stats stopping writing to the db a while ago
[09:05:58 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Is there any way to get it to retry without restarting tomcat/uportal?
[09:06:04 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I think it was pinned down to needing to update the quartz library
[09:06:15 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> If it is the quartz bug, probably not
[09:06:31 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> This was while our instance had been running for a few weeks without any changes
[09:06:50 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> not seeing any errors in the logs?
[09:07:25 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Not any ongoing errors
[09:07:57 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> how does memory usage look?
[09:08:30 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> It seems like once it saw the error it quit retrying
[09:09:22 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> It sounds like the original question is somewhat moot-the server is going to need to be restarted anyway-I'll see if the logs start up on reboot
[09:10:25 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> In answer to your memory question-the server needs memory (don't we all 
-it's on order
[09:10:49 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> just asking because what I believe has been seen before is the quartz job dies for some reason
[09:10:59 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and stats events just start filling up the queue
[09:11:03 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> since it isn't being flushed
[09:11:28 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> So I can think of many reasons why the stats would quit collecting in our environment (server, database, memory)--the question would be how to restart them/flush the queue without restarting tomcat/uPortal
[09:12:22 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> take a look at https://issues.jasig.org/browse/UP-2858
[09:26:51 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> That looks like it could be it. I'm now looking at https://lists.wisc.edu/read/messages?id=8446759#8446759
[09:27:49 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Do you mind if I comment the listserv reference from wisc.edu into UP-2858 so someone can make the connection better (once I make sure I'm doing the right thing)?
[09:28:10 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> sounds good
[09:28:26 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Thanks. Over and out.
[10:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> I'm still no maven expert. I changed the dependency to 1.8.4, and expected maven to find that. Do I need to download it manually (I do know how to do that if I need to)? see http://uportal.pastebin.com/82tFD3Kq
[10:03:18 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I think they changed their groupId & artifactId
[10:04:29 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> looks like the groupId changed to org.quartz-scheduler and the artifactId changed to quartz
[10:04:45 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> you'll need to change that in the root pom.xml and in uportal-impl/pom.xml
[10:05:30 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Would there be a standard place I would have found that--maybe in http://grepcode.com/snapshot/repo1.maven.org/maven2/org.quartz-scheduler/quartz/1.8.4
[10:06:24 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I use http://mvnrepository.com/ to find artifacts
[10:06:40 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> or the pom.xml editor in eclipse from the m2eclipse plugin
[10:07:02 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> Thanks! I'll work with that.
[10:07:12 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> looks like it is also on the quartz website: http://www.quartz-scheduler.org/download/download-catalog.html
[11:03:45 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Am I correct in that there are only two levels of navigation in uPortal? tabs and tabChannels.
[11:05:48 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:06:17 CDT(-0500)] <athena> some institutions have done custom work to provide an additional level of tab nesting
[11:06:37 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Ok, but not out of the box.
[11:06:40 CDT(-0500)] <athena> university of illinois in particular has come up with a strategy that doesn't involve a lot of customization
[11:06:44 CDT(-0500)] <athena> no, not out of the box
[11:08:01 CDT(-0500)] <JoeMoore> I made the changes to to version of quartz in my test system and updated https://issues.jasig.org/browse/UP-2858?focusedCommentId=22461#action_22461 for 3.2 patches
[11:08:02 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Question no 2. I'm looking at the theme xml before transformation and there's an attribute for the <tab> called activeTab, but I don't see anything for the tabChannel. I would like to markup the active tabChannel in the menu with a particular CSS class.
[11:16:07 CDT(-0500)] <athena> what are you looking at that specifies a tabChannel? is this the structure XML document?
[11:16:17 CDT(-0500)] <athena> uPortal really only has an active tab
[11:16:51 CDT(-0500)] <athena> in the default theme, when you're looking at a tab, you see on the page whatever number of portlets are on the page
[11:17:17 CDT(-0500)] <athena> unless maybe you're thinking of the situation where you've maximized/focused a particular portlet and aren't looking at the entire tab anymore?
[11:18:01 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I'm looking at the "raw" XML in uportal.log. Used a tip from mpolizzotti and EricDalquist to enable logging of the XML.
[11:18:19 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> This is the XML that is the base for the XSLT transformation done by the theme.
[11:19:27 CDT(-0500)] <holdorph> ok, but from the end user perspective. what do you want to achieve, that you need an activeTabChannel ?
[11:19:49 CDT(-0500)] <holdorph> because I agree with athena , such a concept really doesn't exist at the user level of the experience.
[11:20:05 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I'm creating a theme based on an existing web site design.
[11:20:55 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> In other words, I have all the stylesheets and the markup. Now I just need to create the xsl files to transform the XML into the end product.
[11:21:13 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> http://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/research-and-innovation/research-excellence-areas
[11:21:54 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> As you can see, "RESEARCH AND INNOVATION" is the active tab and "Research excellence areas" is the active "subtab".
[11:22:19 CDT(-0500)] <holdorph> uportal doesn't support subtabs out of the box, as we explaine above
[11:22:27 CDT(-0500)] <athena> right, it doesn't out of the bo
[11:22:29 CDT(-0500)] <athena> box
[11:22:41 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but you can have basically any experience you'd like
[11:22:45 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Well, it does support subtabs.
[11:22:52 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> It has tabs and tabChannels.
[11:22:59 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> http://pastebin.com/vRxDW2Wn
[11:23:13 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the "tabChannel" element you're looking at is actually a portlet
[11:23:37 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Ok.
[11:23:42 CDT(-0500)] <athena> basically the document you've pasted shows two tabs, the first with 5 portlets, and the second with 8
[11:23:52 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i'd agree that that element isn't very intuitively named
[11:24:20 CDT(-0500)] <athena> if you take a look at uportal on an iphone, you'll see that the structurre and theme transforms are totally different, and you get completely different XML in between
[11:24:52 CDT(-0500)] <athena> you could certainly write your own structure transform to produce an additional layer of nesting, then use your own theme transform to render subtabs
[11:25:35 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Ok.
[11:25:54 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> In that case, what I'm after is a way to highlight the active portlet in the subnavigation.
[11:26:24 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> But since the "tabChannel" doesn't specify whether the portles is active or not, I guess I'm out of luck.
[11:26:28 CDT(-0500)] <holdorph> but there isn't a concept of the active portlet, unless it's in the maximized state
[11:26:34 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Ok
[11:26:40 CDT(-0500)] <athena> as holdorph says, most of the time there isnt' an active portlet
[11:26:59 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but if you changed the theme to never show all the portlets on the tab, and instead always be "focused" on a single portlet
[11:27:19 CDT(-0500)] <athena> there is a way to tell that it's focused, and what the focused channel is
[11:27:27 CDT(-0500)] <holdorph> yeah, it seems like you could come close to accomplishing what you linked to with maximized portlets
[11:27:55 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Yeah, I think I see what you mean.
[11:27:57 CDT(-0500)] <athena> click on the title link for a portlet in vanilla uportal - you should go into a mode where you see the portlet you clicked on, but nothing else on the page
[11:28:10 CDT(-0500)] <athena> you should be able to see some references to a focused channel in the logs
[11:28:21 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Let me check.
[11:28:53 CDT(-0500)] <athena> there are a number of references in the vanilla theme XSL to things like <xsl:when test="//focused"/> - those are basically testing to see whether the user is in "focus" mode
[11:29:04 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Yeah, I've seen them.
[11:29:29 CDT(-0500)] <athena> anyway, if you're in focus mode, you can use that to find what i think you're thinking of as the "active" portlet
[11:29:35 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Yup.
[11:29:42 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I think I have it figured out now.
[11:30:06 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I'll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks for the help.
[11:30:12 CDT(-0500)] <athena> good luck!
[11:39:03 CDT(-0500)] <athena> hey EricDalquist - do you have a list of the things you've found w/ the gallery patch?
[11:39:13 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> oh yeah
[11:39:35 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> where do you want me to stick the notes?
[11:39:57 CDT(-0500)] <athena> maybe at https://wiki.jasig.org/display/UPC/uPortal+3.2+Gallery+and+Tabs+Patch?
[11:40:11 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[11:40:15 CDT(-0500)] <athena> probably be good to have it together w/ the patch itself
[11:40:17 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'll just paste in my notes for now
[11:40:21 CDT(-0500)] <athena> thanks, that'd be awesome
[11:40:22 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it isn't all that clean yet
[11:40:30 CDT(-0500)] <athena> that's fine
[11:40:46 CDT(-0500)] <athena> mostly just want to make sure we get BYU up and running
[11:41:08 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[11:41:10 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> notes are there
[11:41:20 CDT(-0500)] <athena> great, thanks!
[13:39:26 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i've got an initial stab at moving the person selection over to using AJAX against a REST-ish person search feed
[13:39:44 CDT(-0500)] <athena> it's not too pretty though
[13:46:20 CDT(-0500)] <athena> EricDalquist: you have any objection to it being just a single ajax-based screen?
[14:55:09 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> athena: Just wanted to say that I got it work.
[14:55:13 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> <xsl:variable name="FOCUSED_ID"><xsl:value-of select="//content/focused/channel[1]/@ID"/></xsl:variable>
[14:55:20 CDT(-0500)] <athena> fantastic! really glad to hear it
[14:55:32 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> And then check if that matches @ID. If it does, it's active.
[14:56:06 CDT(-0500)] <athena> makes sense
[14:56:14 CDT(-0500)] <athena> look like that's going to meet your use case?
[15:00:12 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Yeah, I think so.
[15:00:28 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Focused means that only one portlet is displayed, right?
[15:00:43 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yes, exactly
[15:00:59 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I believe that's how it currently is setup everywhere, so I think that'll work.
[15:01:09 CDT(-0500)] <athena> great
[15:01:09 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> In our portal, that is.
[15:01:32 CDT(-0500)] <athena> if you look at the mobile theme, you'll see that that actually only shows content in focus mode
[15:01:32 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Haven't tinkered with XSL/XPath before, but it seems very powerful.
[15:01:50 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the main view is just a link to each portlet, rather than actually showing all the portlets together
[15:01:52 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yes, it is
[15:02:09 CDT(-0500)] <athena> and the fact that uportal has a two-stage transformation of the layout means you have a lot of control over the content generation
[15:02:26 CDT(-0500)] <athena> in the main theme the folders are transformed to a tab -> column -> portlet model
[15:02:40 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but others have done tab -> subtab -> column -> portlet
[15:02:57 CDT(-0500)] <athena> and the mobile theme uses contentGroup -> portlet
[15:04:52 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Yeah. I never quite understood that. I can see in uportal.log that there are two transforms. "XML incoming to the structure transformation" and "XML incoming to the theme transformation". I'm working with the theme transformation. Not sure how to work with the structure xml.
[15:05:16 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the structure does something similar, but at a lower level
[15:05:36 CDT(-0500)] <athena> so if you wanted subtab support you'd want to modify the structure to turn the generic nested folders into an additional layer of tabs
[15:06:03 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the default structure transform only expects a certain level of nesting - what you'd need to support root -> tabs -> columns -> portlets
[15:06:24 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but you could turn those nested folders into additional nesting w/ subtabs, or something else entirely
[15:06:58 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> interesting apache mod: https://code.google.com/speed/page-speed
[15:07:02 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> But where would I do the transformations of the structure xml?
[15:07:18 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> As far as I can see, I only have access to the theme xml in the theme xsl files.
[15:07:31 CDT(-0500)] <athena> hm, that does seem interesting
[15:07:42 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the structure XML is in a folder alongside the theme XML
[15:07:54 CDT(-0500)] <athena> layout/structure rather than layout/theme
[15:08:09 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Aha
[15:08:10 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the default main structure transform stuff is in layout/theme/columns
[15:08:20 CDT(-0500)] <athena> though you can create new structure implementations if you'd prefer
[15:09:34 CDT(-0500)] <athena> there are some conceptual diagrams here: https://wiki.jasig.org/display/UPM31/03+Theme+and+Skin
[15:12:04 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> I saw that page earlier, but just kind of stopped over it
[15:12:14 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Thanks. I'll definitely look into that tomorrow.
[15:13:25 CDT(-0500)] <rickard> Like you said, it seems that would allow for deeper nesting. I.e. tab -> subtab -> subsubtab -> portlet
[15:19:33 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yeah, there's actually a whole lot of flexibility there
[15:20:11 CDT(-0500)] <athena> the only disadvantage to writing a new theme would be you miss out on some of the AJAX-y user customization, or have to re-implement it
[15:20:22 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but then again it looks like your site maybe doesn't really need that anyway
[15:57:44 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> athena: so I spent a little time last night hacking at it
[15:57:54 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and have a very simple plugin that walks the dependency tree
[15:58:02 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and prints out the license name for each dep in a projet
[15:58:07 CDT(-0500)] <athena> oh nice
[15:58:29 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> shouldn't be much more work to create an XML format to list notice formats in
[15:58:35 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and have it just generate that stupid file 
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