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[09:58:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> good morning
[10:39:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Anyone else awake?
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[10:44:15 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> okay, who narc'd on me yesterday? I got busted for talking about CAS (it was really more about maven)
[10:44:28 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and by "busted" I mean "Scott B. tried to help me."
[10:44:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[10:50:16 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> http://blogs.sun.com/watt/resource/jvm-options-list.html
[10:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that's a nice list
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[11:31:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that it is
[11:31:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> adding it to the bookmarks
[11:31:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I need to go and do more JVM/GC research on 1.6 one of these days
[11:34:53 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm starting to see very abnormal memory usage
[11:34:57 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> it's staying very low
[11:35:11 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and not going into the spike/drop cycle like I expect it to
[11:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what is the GC doing?
[11:35:46 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> well, I hate to admit it, but I'm not logging GC
[11:35:54 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> here is the 26th http://seaborn.csuchico.edu/stats/portal/?Machine=All&Type=Hours&Field=usedmem&Month=8&Day=26&Year=2007&Hour=0&Finish=23&Combined=selected&.submit=Submit&.cgifields=Combined&.cgifields=Machine
[11:36:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> here was yesterday http://seaborn.csuchico.edu/stats/portal/?Machine=All&Type=Hours&Field=usedmem&Month=8&Day=29&Year=2007&Hour=0&Finish=23&Combined=selected&.submit=Submit&.cgifields=Combined&.cgifields=Machine
[11:36:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the second one is more what we see
[11:36:48 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> really? ah, that's good!
[11:36:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> using the parallel new collector and CMS tenured collector
[11:36:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well
[11:37:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it depends what GC approach the JVM is taking
[11:37:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we don't ever see full GCs
[11:37:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the ParNew collector runs very frequently (every minute or so) on our eden space
[11:37:48 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we keep it pretty simple
[11:37:49 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> CATALINA_OPTS="-server -Xms1024m -Xmx1536m -Dsun.net.inetaddr.ttl=0"
[11:38:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the ConcurrentMarkSweep GC runs constantly in a background thread pruning tenured space
[11:38:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you need to enable JMX
[11:38:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> then you can connect using JConsole and see which collectors are being used
[11:38:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the time spent doing collections
[11:38:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and per-heap space usage
[11:39:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> oh. right. /realizes I'm out of my element
[11:39:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 
[11:40:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oi ... the spider web of wiki pages makes my head hurt at times
[11:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh, yeah...that will happen
[11:42:44 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the JA-SIG wiki especially
[11:43:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:43:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think today is going to be a dedicated 'clean up the wiki' day
[11:43:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we'll see how far I get ...
[11:43:21 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> luckily in our department space we have one person who constantly is looking at the new stuff coming in and sorting it out
[11:43:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we need one of those
[11:43:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that isn't me 
[11:43:37 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[11:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and one for each space
[11:44:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:48:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ideally the new steering committee can give a little guidance (not policy) on what each space should be
[11:48:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think we have a pretty good idea of what they should be
[11:48:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just getting someone to maintain it and make it cohesive
[11:48:39 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> The disparate nature of the CAS docs I'm sure cause a few feathers to be ruffled
[11:56:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> did 2.4 work in JDK5?
[11:58:36 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we never tried
[12:10:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> should this page: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPC/2.7
[12:10:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just go away?
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[12:18:30 EDT(-0400)] * Topic is 'how many divs is too many?' set by apetro_work_desk on 2007-08-30 12:18:30 EDT(-0400)
[12:19:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there can never be enough divs! (they're like td's but better right?)
[12:21:06 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> lol
[12:21:33 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> and they're easier to nest. When nesting tds you had to deal with adding new table and tr elements too, with divs you can just have at it.
[12:21:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[12:21:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so should this page: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/UPC/2.7 just go away?
[12:22:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I've dedicated today (for better or worse) to wiki cleanup
[12:22:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> starting with release related pages
[12:24:54 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> that 2.7 page should go away. Possibly we need to find / have a "feature ideas" page and slam the ideas for things uPortal could do onto that, if it's valuable at all. Makes a nice distinction
[12:24:58 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> between the actual roadmap
[12:25:00 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> what we plan to do
[12:25:06 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> and the universe of interesting ideas of things we could do
[12:25:19 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> by having a place for the latter, it's easier to keep the former real
[12:25:56 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> ("Bob, that's a great idea you have, but I'm not sure what resources are on it or where it fits in the roadmap, so I've moved it into the direction ideas page for further discussion.")
[12:26:10 EDT(-0400)] <apetro_work_desk> rolls off the tongue better than "No, your idea doesn't belong on the roadmap. I deleted it.")
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