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[09:17:22 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> good morning
[09:17:30 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> jayshao: you around?
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[09:35:21 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> morning
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[10:25:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so I'm trying figure out the best way to allow people that download the quickstart to do uPortal development on it and provide patches back to the uPortal developers
[10:27:49 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> one thought is when building the quickstart to include the .svn meta-data directories but that adds an extra 30MB or so (uncompressed) to the quickstart size
[10:30:34 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> another idea is to provide an ant task in the quickstart build.xml that would download the version of uPortal from SVN that the quickstart was built with
[10:31:07 EST(-0500)] <athena7> hm, interesting
[10:31:41 EST(-0500)] <athena7> for gary and i's work, we really need a way to move changes in both directions, too
[10:32:12 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> both directions? like from SVN into your working copy and also back into SVN
[10:33:42 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'm thinking a 'developers quick start' would be a handy tool ... something that is pretty much a quickstart but with the uPortal code still attached to SVN
[10:34:03 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> maybe that is just another download option since that would be easy enough to package up in the current quickstart building scripts
[10:34:11 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yes, i need to get changes from gary, and he also will need to get changes from me
[10:34:39 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i think we're both going to need to make several iterations of changes to the same files in similar places to get everything finished
[10:34:44 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yup
[10:34:55 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so you both need a SVN attached version of the uPortal code to develop on
[10:35:17 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and for Gary in particular the quickstart format is needed to make it easier for him to work with
[10:35:32 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah, that sounds right
[10:36:01 EST(-0500)] <athena7> actually, having a strategy to do all this would help us at yale too
[10:36:10 EST(-0500)] <athena7> when we work with our internal designers
[10:38:08 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok, easy enough
[10:38:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'll have the quickstart build scripts generate a standard quickstart and a developer-quickstart
[10:38:45 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> where the developer quickstart will still be attached to SVN
[10:38:57 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> to allow commits, updates, etc...
[10:41:12 EST(-0500)] <athena7> sounds great!
[10:42:59 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ant really needs to release 1.7.1
[10:43:15 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> there are some features I really want to use for the uPortal build scripts but can't use 1.7.0 
[10:44:24 EST(-0500)] <jayshao_> I've been itching to do a dev VMWare build that included Eclipse and a JDK as well
[10:58:54 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i'd like to use ant from eclipse again
[10:59:30 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yeah ... it is really annoying doing uP3 dev and not being able to use ant in eclipse
[10:59:46 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it looks like they have a release manager finally and actually have a beta of 1.7.1
[11:00:14 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> the problem is the whole way the ant script hooks back into maven breaks in 1.7.0 (but works in 1.7.1 
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[11:22:07 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah
[11:28:02 EST(-0500)] <athena7> does anyone have any insight into the entity types tables in the uportal database?
[11:28:20 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i'd like to start the import/export work for them, but i'm not really sure what i'm looking at
[11:28:36 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[11:28:47 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> let me fire up a squirellsql and look
[11:29:24 EST(-0500)] <athena7> in particular, i wasn't sure if any other tables reference the up_entity_type table
[11:32:29 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hrm ... so what that defines all the 'valid' IBasicEntity types?
[11:33:28 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> the only place in uPortal I see that table even being used in RDBMUserIdentityStore ....
[11:33:50 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i have no idea
[11:33:54 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i don't even know what they are
[11:34:07 EST(-0500)] <athena7> or how they're used
[11:35:14 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so the only two classes I see that use that table are EntityTypes and RDBMUserIdentityStore
[11:36:37 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and it does look like EntityTypes is used in quite a few places ... I'd start hunting down those usages to see what exactly is being done with that data
[11:37:34 EST(-0500)] <athena7> thanks
[11:37:39 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yup
[11:37:41 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> good luck
[11:37:43 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist>
[11:37:46 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i want to make sure if there are any other dependencies they get exported correctly
[11:38:01 EST(-0500)] <athena7> i mean i can just export the table data, but i don't know if there's anything that needs to go along with it
[11:38:39 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so I think all the group info relies on those keys
[11:38:50 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> like UP_GROUP.ENTITY_TYPE_ID
[11:39:18 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> that specifies the types of entities that are in the group as described in UP_ENTITY_TYPE
[11:40:45 EST(-0500)] <athena7> does it actually make sense to import/export entity types? or are these things that are hard-coded and integral to uportal's inner workings?
[11:41:54 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> looking at the code I don't think they are hard coded
[11:42:07 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> all the groups code goes through that EntityTypes class to determine descriptions and types and such
[11:43:44 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ok
[11:43:54 EST(-0500)] <athena7> so which field do you think we should use as the identifier?
[11:43:59 EST(-0500)] <athena7> the type name? descriptive name?
[11:44:07 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> type name
[11:44:11 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ok
[11:44:15 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> that would need to be unique I think
[11:44:19 EST(-0500)] <athena7> that'll stay constant between versions?
[11:44:20 EST(-0500)] <athena7> yeah
[11:44:49 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yeah, that is referring to the actual Java class
[11:45:14 EST(-0500)] <athena7> ok
[11:49:45 EST(-0500)] <athena7> lunchtime, back later
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[12:13:53 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> oi .. testing changes to the quickstart build process is like watching paint dry
[12:26:29 EST(-0500)] <dstn> that fun!?
[12:26:43 EST(-0500)] <dstn> I didn't even know... :-D
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[13:47:20 EST(-0500)] <wilj> Hi Eric, I'm Wil Johnson. I'm with the Kuali Student project. I was told by Colin Clark and Jens Hasseur that I could direct any questions about uPortal to you via IRC.
[13:49:37 EST(-0500)] <athena7> looks like EricDalquist might be idle
[13:49:42 EST(-0500)] <athena7> but hello
[13:49:46 EST(-0500)] <wilj> hi there
[13:49:49 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hi
[13:49:52 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'm back
[13:49:54 EST(-0500)] <athena7> there he is!
[13:49:58 EST(-0500)] <athena7> hurray
[13:50:00 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist>
[13:50:49 EST(-0500)] <wilj> I'm working on the UI/UX framework for Kuali Student, and we're evaluating AJAX tools in a portal environment, so some of the things we're coming up against aren't explicitly covered in the JSR.
[13:51:11 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[13:51:22 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so you're talking about AJAX tools in a JSR-168 portlet?
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