uPortal IRC Logs-2007-08-23

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Last updated: Oct 09, 2007Version comment

[08:26:21 EDT(-0400)] * esm (n=esm@asdf.dkc.jhu.edu) has joined ##uportal
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[10:46:56 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> so apparently cas has switched to maven2
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[11:30:01 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> coffee time
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[11:51:36 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> how do i tell maven2 to ignore broken tests?
[11:52:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> fix the tests (wink)
[11:52:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> actually ... esm likely knows
[11:52:23 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> well, this is the cas project (tongue)
[11:52:30 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> so i am only trying to install it
[11:53:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> http://maven.apache.org/general.html#skip-test
[11:53:23 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> gracias
[11:53:34 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> the readme pointed to a broken link for doing that
[11:54:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok ... the maven branch for uPortal works mostly
[11:54:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> if you build the ear and move the jars and wars by hand everything works except the portlets
[11:55:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which only don't work because I haven't gotten to modifying deployPortletApp
[11:58:53 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> fyi: it took 52 minutes for the mvn package install to fail
[11:59:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is crazy
[12:00:23 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> yes.
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[12:49:23 EDT(-0400)] <esm> lol wow 52 min
[12:52:31 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> that was my introduction to a maven2 project
[12:54:28 EDT(-0400)] <esm> (smile)
[12:55:37 EDT(-0400)] <esm> of course it probaby isn't due to maven 2
[12:55:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> just lots of tests
[12:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <esm> which is a good thing
[14:18:44 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> mostly it was downloads
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[14:21:43 EDT(-0400)] * pberry writes a JA-SIG "platform statement"
[14:21:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> ugh
[14:21:57 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> this stuff is so...uh, not code
[14:25:14 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> jayshao_: dude, Yahoo! Grids are awesome! (wink)
[14:25:54 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> http://portal.csuchico.edu/ that mark-up is tight
[14:27:22 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> pberry: heheh put that in your platform statement
[14:27:39 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao_> hey
[14:27:48 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> "tight markup"
[14:27:49 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao_> missed the last message – my IRC client is eating responses
[14:27:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> hey
[14:27:59 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Heh, well XHTML and good markup is clearly already a priority in uPortal
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[14:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> My guy is going through the DLM prefs with a machete right now
[14:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hey
[14:28:43 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> sup
[14:28:48 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> saw that
[14:28:57 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hmm... bug in Colloquy I think
[14:29:04 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that'll happen
[14:29:09 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> chats randomly disappear - somewhat unfortunate
[14:29:15 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> oh well, I guess that's what logging is for
[14:29:33 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[14:29:42 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> X-chat Aqua, for that old skool irc feel
[14:29:57 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> that's up2.6, pberry?
[14:30:02 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yup
[14:30:15 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> nice
[14:30:24 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I've been looking over his shoulder on the prefs channel and it's nice
[14:30:58 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we good with layout and markup, not so much with the whole "writing java code" thing (wink)
[14:31:00 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we're
[14:37:07 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> he
[14:37:13 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I dig the move to YUI – good experiences?
[14:38:49 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> you aren't using the new dnd theme?
[15:54:59 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> our yui experience has been great
[15:55:16 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> their whole concept of graded browser support has been a life saver
[16:00:01 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/
[16:00:35 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> also the grids stuff is all in sourceforge
[16:00:41 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> so there is issue tracking, etc.
[16:20:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[16:21:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the jasig-elections list isn't accepting e-mail...
[16:24:13 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> hrm
[16:24:19 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I guess it isn't really a list...
[16:30:41 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> jayshao: Scott did a good write-up on our YUI experience http://blogs.csuchico.edu/ik/2006/11/27/implementing-yahoo-ui-library/
[16:30:52 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> nice
[16:30:53 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> thanks
[16:31:04 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> basically, there isn't a whole lot we don't use it for
[16:31:22 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> it's in our rails apps, it's in CAS, it's in uPortal, it's in our static HTML templates...
[16:31:30 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> It's full of stars!
[16:32:01 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> heh
[16:32:07 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I do really like the browser grading
[16:32:18 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> that matrix alone is enough to make me seriously consider YUI
[16:32:29 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> and our email enhancements are mostly built on ontop of YUI
[16:32:34 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> browser testing css hacks is for...well, other people (wink)
[16:32:39 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> heh
[16:32:44 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I agree
[16:33:09 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I may have to look at pushing out Sakai layout into YUI...
[16:33:28 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> though, grids seemed div heavy to me
[16:36:06 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> so even in rails, you're using YUI over Scriptaculous?
[16:38:53 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> well, not really
[16:39:05 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> when I say YUI, I mean Grids/Fonts/Reset/Base
[16:39:14 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we're only using the CSS stuff, not the "AJAX" stuff
[16:39:39 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> gotcha
[16:39:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> yeah, I can see how that might have been confusing
[16:40:26 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> want to contribute your grids layout? I suspect getting it to work with DnD isn't hard, and it would be nice to leverage Yahoo's QA
[16:41:32 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> there are some "design decisions" that we made to make it work
[16:42:25 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> basically, we can only do 1, 2, or 3 columns
[16:42:40 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> and the columns are all equal in width
[16:43:03 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> which would be LTO (Less Than Optimal) for a number of folks
[16:43:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we also had to hack on the layout xslt to get things to work the right way
[16:43:56 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> now, for the DLM prefs, we have our own xsl, so it's just a matter of changing the ssl
[16:44:04 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> so, I think that stuff will be easy to contribute back first
[16:54:51 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hm
[16:55:02 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> is anyone really using more than 3 columns?
[16:55:14 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> equal in width I'm less sure about...
[16:55:22 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> no, but what we did was hack the prefs so you can't make more than 3 (wink)
[16:55:27 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> have you looked a blueprint?
[16:55:34 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we looked
[16:55:37 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> 16 column grid sounds like enough for me...
[16:55:41 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> still like Yahoo better?
[16:55:43 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> but as scott mentioned, it's young
[16:55:59 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> the testing, again, is a huge win in our book
[16:57:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> plus, it would be hard to express the ability of blueprint in the DLM prefs
[16:57:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> My Yahoo gets around that in only allowing certain content to be in certain columns
[16:58:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> iGoogle just makes everything the same size
[16:59:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> wow, the mark-up nerds chased everyone off...
[16:59:16 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Woooooo! We win!
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[17:23:58 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I can't wait for the logs to hit the wiki today
[17:33:50 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> they are over there already
[17:34:20 EDT(-0400)] <lescour> i was looking at them, as i got disconnected a little bit ago
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