uPortal IRC Logs-2008-04-09

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[11:16:38 EDT(-0400)] <Tuomaz> In uP 2.6.1, is it possible to create a new xhtml-theme.xsl for a new language? Or how do I i18n the strings inside that file?
[11:17:01 EDT(-0400)] <Tuomaz> (webpages/stylesheets/org/jasig/portal/layout/tab-column/xhtml-theme/xhtml-theme.xsl)
[11:19:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'm not sure, to be honest
[11:20:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> in up3 all of the strings are externalized to a messages.xsl file, which should make it a lot easier to change the wording
[11:21:26 EDT(-0400)] <Tuomaz> ah.. that is very good
[11:21:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[11:21:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i know that doesn't really help for 2.6, but it's good to have useful changes on the way
[11:22:05 EDT(-0400)] <Tuomaz> yes
[11:22:17 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> unfortunately in 2.6 a lot of it may be hard-coded, i'm not sure
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[11:32:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> anyone have any insight into what a RestrictedPerson might be? is that like a guest person?
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[11:59:13 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> grr, its snowing
[11:59:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> warming up in connecticut
[11:59:41 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol
[11:59:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> back in a bit
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[12:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but yeah dstn, i promise you it's always sunny and lovely here, it'll be great
[12:22:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> athena7: yes a restricted person is a guest person I believe
[12:22:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> (ok, maybe that's not completely true)
[12:22:33 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> hm, interesting
[12:22:59 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i looked at the personfactory closer and it doesn't appear that the createguest method actually uses the restricted person thing
[12:23:15 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol
[12:23:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so i'm extra confused now
[12:23:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> you like rain, right?
[12:23:31 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> the humidity is probably gonna be the big thing for me
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[12:23:43 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> its extremely dry here
[12:23:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah that is a good point
[12:23:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it really bothered me at first - i went to HS in az
[12:24:13 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> oh..ya same region
[12:24:14 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> give me dry vs humidity any day of the year, please.
[12:24:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but now i shell out for an apartment with central air
[12:24:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah i visited az a couple summers ago in august
[12:24:34 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it was way nicer than it was here
[12:24:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> athena7: the eclipse 'references in project' of RestrictedPerson show it being used by the PersonAttributesGroupStore
[12:24:39 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol
[12:24:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the PersonFactory
[12:24:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> thanks eric, i'll look there
[12:25:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> there's a createrestricetd person method in PersonFactory
[12:25:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> guess i should look and see where that gets used
[12:25:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:25:43 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> my first winter in ct i kept waiting for it to get cold
[12:25:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I love the eclipse 'show references' and 'call hierarchy' functions
[12:26:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> make it so easy to traverse a codebase
[12:26:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> my previous experience with "winter" was living in minnesota, so we don't really have winter by those standards
[12:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[12:26:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'm glad my 'open resource' is working again
[12:26:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it was broken on os x for a while
[12:26:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:26:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that was annoying
[12:27:10 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> Ya its gonna be interesting to see how the winters there compare to here
[12:27:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> probably warmer, i'd guess
[12:27:30 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> it can get pretty cold here
[12:27:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> you made any plans yet?
[12:27:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah it's very rare that it gets below zero here
[12:28:12 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> plans, like what?
[12:28:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> places to live, etc.
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[12:29:30 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> oh ya, I'm headed out that way from the 24-27th to find a place to live
[12:29:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh cool
[12:29:50 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> hopin to find a nice apartment
[12:29:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so, anyone have any idea why reset-layout requires a logout/in?
[12:30:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> well if there's anything you need, or you have any questions about the area, please feel free to get in touch
[12:30:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> The layout apis are another area that is rather confusing to me
[12:30:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> eric i'm assuming it's because the layouts get caches
[12:30:21 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> er, cached
[12:30:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm, which cache?
[12:30:38 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> most of the layout update methods correctly update the cache though
[12:30:41 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> ok thanks, I might shoot you an email
[12:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> please do
[12:31:05 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> not sure eric
[12:31:22 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i don't really understand that stuff too well, and i need to to finish the cookie login stuff
[12:31:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no problem
[12:32:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> if you look at TabColumnPrefsSate there's lots of calls to ulm.saveLayout() after things are changed
[12:32:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:32:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I tried just adding that
[12:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the problem is I think I might need to re-load the layout
[12:33:00 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[12:33:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> calling save after setting a profile of 0 results in a NPE
[12:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[12:33:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm thinking I need to get the ulm to reload the default layout for the user
[12:33:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i dont' really understand what changed though
[12:34:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah that makes sense
[12:34:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i do see a line of ulm.loadUserLayout() in line 1257 or TabColumnPrefsState
[12:34:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[12:34:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I tried adding a save right after that
[12:34:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that's where it NPEs :/
[12:35:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so I'm thinking load isn't doing what is expected there
[12:35:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> interesting
[12:35:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i think that line should have reloaded the layout though
[12:35:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> wonder if that's not working correctly
[12:35:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:35:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i wish mark was still doing uportal stuff
[12:35:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think I'll step through that
[12:35:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah, me too
[12:36:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it'd be so nice to have those subscribable fragments
[12:37:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> interesting ... DistributedLayoutManager actually has a resetLayout API
[12:38:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oooh really?
[12:38:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:38:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so I think I know what is wrong
[12:38:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> calling loadUserLayout on a loaded layout is a noop
[12:38:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[12:39:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since the userLayoutDocument instance variable is already set
[12:39:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so we need to set userLayoutDocument to null before calling loadUserLayout for anything to actually happen
[12:39:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which resetLayout does
[12:39:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> maybe that should be added as a new IUserLayoutManager API
[12:39:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> seems like a reasonable method
[12:40:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[12:40:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so have a new reallyReloadUserLayout type of thing?
[12:40:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:40:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is resetLayout not an accessible method?
[12:41:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well it is public
[12:41:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but there is no guarantee the ulm being accessed is DLM
[12:41:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[12:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> in fact it is actually the TLM
[12:42:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since the prefs channel is rendering via fname
[12:42:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i see
[12:42:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so it has to be on the interface to work
[12:43:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[12:43:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> uhg
[12:43:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok resetLayout is not a safe API for us to use
[12:43:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> userStore.removePortalUID( person.getID() );
[12:44:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it is for fixing a corrupt user
[12:44:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and it actually deletes the user then re-adds them
[12:45:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh
[12:45:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but that also removes all of the group and permission memberships
[12:45:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah that doesn't sound ideal
[12:45:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and gives them a new uid
[12:46:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> uhoh!
[12:46:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so all new portlet entities
[12:46:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:46:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> very bad
[12:46:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so perhaps a new loadUserLayout(boolean refresh); method
[12:46:49 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah i think that sounds great
[12:46:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> that would probably fix my problem, too
[12:47:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i'd just need to figure out where to call it
[12:48:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I should have it added in a few hours
[12:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> great, thanks!
[12:49:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[12:49:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> whittling down that jira list
[12:49:28 EDT(-0400)] <athena7>
[12:49:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm going to try and find some time to do some load testing / profiling this week too
[12:50:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> sounds great
[12:50:51 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh by the way, did i ask you if the cas stuff was really fixed now?
[12:51:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[12:51:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> what was your answer?
[12:51:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> lol
[12:51:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it works for me right now
[12:51:25 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ok, good
[12:51:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[12:51:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i think the only other ticket i own is up-1981
[12:51:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> which happens pretty rarely and is fixable by refreshing the page
[12:52:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so i'm kind of inclined not to worry about it
[12:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> especially since i expect we'll replace the drag and drop library in 3.1
[12:53:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> does that seem reasonable?
[12:56:46 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> I am in need of anyone on the planet who knows a lot about the workings of the Oralce Portal Application Server. Anyone have any idea where to look, or do i have a better chance of winning the lotto?
[12:57:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> not i
[12:59:52 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> well, i don't expect you're going to get a lot of 'hits' to that question on a 'uportal' irc channel
[13:00:15 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> indeed but not very many on google or #oracle
[13:00:25 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> its no wonder oracle is discontinuing this thing
[13:00:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> they are?
[13:00:45 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> yah
[13:00:53 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> 10g is the last version for the oracle portal
[13:01:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is it becoming something else, or really just no more?
[13:01:11 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> they are moving to a more uniform application server that costs quite a bit more
[13:01:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[13:01:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> LOL
[13:01:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yes that sounds about right
[13:01:39 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> hence i will be moving to uportal but we are not there yet
[13:02:13 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> there were some posts on the uportal mailing lists, but I have no memory of who was posting with any info on oracle portal
[13:03:13 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> i should porbably get on that list
[13:03:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> some of the more recent ones were probably jason advocating that in-development portlets run on oracle portal
[13:03:18 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> is there a link of the site ?
[13:04:59 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> what site?
[13:06:53 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> CampusEAI is all about Oracle Portal
[13:07:11 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> anyone from there knows a lot about Oracle Portal
[13:07:36 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> www.campuseai.org/
[13:08:20 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> those guys are useless to be kind
[13:08:59 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> Ya..that's all I got
[13:09:00 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> only thing they seem to be good as is pushing oracle portal to their users and they have been unable to answer almost any question i have asked them.
[13:10:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> sorry to hear that
[13:12:35 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> if you have a license to oralce portal, wouldn't you be able to contact oracle for support?
[13:13:08 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> holdorph: yah they cant exactly help me either =)
[13:13:18 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> not with this particular issue
[13:13:52 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> hmm
[13:14:14 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> eff it i will just do it the way its suppose to work and tell my boss to gfys when he cant get his data out
[13:14:29 EDT(-0400)] <KWhat_Work> thats what he gets for not listening to me and going with oracle again
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[13:28:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yay, so I think the reset-layout fix works ...
[13:28:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but only on the next request
[13:29:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I really wish channels had an action phase like portlets
[13:34:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7_> that's great that the fix works though
[13:34:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[13:35:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I think the skin selector has the same problem as this reset
[13:35:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> where it takes another render after the action to get the change to take
[13:35:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> or the change to display that is
[13:36:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7_> hm, interesting
[13:36:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena7_> the ajax skin selector does it immediately
[13:37:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the channel needs to be able to do the change then do a redirect or some such
[13:37:31 EDT(-0400)] <athena7_> yeah
[13:42:16 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is there a way to use parameters with ant tasks when you run the build.xml file through eclipse?
[13:42:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[13:42:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Run > External Tools > Open External Tools Dialog
[13:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh cool, thanks
[13:43:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> anything command line related is just so much harder in windows
[13:44:25 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> I agree
[13:45:15 EDT(-0400)] * athena7 <3s her mac
[13:45:39 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol, I love my linux
[13:50:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i like linux too
[13:50:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but i prefer os x for my personal machines
[13:50:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> especially with vmware
[13:51:44 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> fusion is sooooo cool
[13:52:15 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah, it's nice
[13:52:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> although my main usage at the moment is streaming stuff from netflix
[13:54:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok athena7 the layout reset fix is committed
[13:54:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I need to go get food
[13:54:43 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> mmm food
[13:55:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> great, thanks
[13:55:18 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> bugs--;
[13:58:28 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> well, time for class, later all
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[14:35:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> eric for the neat upAuth:canRender tag
[14:36:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[14:36:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> is it possible to build something like that that has access to the user request object?
[14:36:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah the xalan elements support is fun
[14:36:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> um, you'd probably have to do it through a threadlocal
[14:36:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what exactly do you need from the request?
[14:37:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> checking something in the session
[14:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> or testing for a cookie
[14:37:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm
[14:38:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so Spring has some basic 'and servlet/portlet generic' functionality along these lines via the http://static.springframework.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframework/web/context/request/RequestContextHolder.html
[14:39:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you setup a RequestContextListener in the web.xml
[14:39:37 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> hm, i'll check that out
[14:39:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and it sticks the current request in a threadlocal and some of that request info can be read via the RequestContextHolder
[14:39:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the info available is rather limited though
[14:40:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but if that doesn't do it modeling something on it would probably be the way to go
[14:40:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> perhaps even looking to extending it
[14:40:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> thanks
[14:40:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[14:50:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i wish i could just use a parameter processor
[14:50:58 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> that would be so much more ideal
[14:51:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what are you trying to do?
[14:53:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> this is for the cookie login stuff
[14:53:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ah
[14:53:24 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> you know it might just make more sense to have the check be javascript
[14:53:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just switch to acegi
[14:53:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> we're sort of doing that already
[14:53:36 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> well
[14:53:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> we aren't actually letting the cookie authenticate people
[14:54:01 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> if the cookie checks out we create a guest user with their id
[14:54:10 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> so they get their layout, but can't make any changes to it
[14:54:14 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> i have to go to a meeting
[14:54:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> interesting
[14:54:40 EDT(-0400)] <athena7>
[14:54:45 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> presenting on it at the conference
[14:54:47 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> sort of like amazon
[14:54:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> where it knows you're you, and gives you stuff you'll like
[14:55:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah, I think it is a great idea
[14:55:02 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> but then makes you log in to order or whatever
[14:55:07 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ok
[14:55:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> back later!
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[17:22:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so portlet entity preferences are now scoped to a guest user's session
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[19:08:00 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> anyone know how I can add the CLogin channel in a tab for the main "guest" view?
[19:21:09 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> do you really need the channel? Can't you just write the form in any kind of channel? Then just have the action of that form be the same place that the action for clogin is
[19:33:01 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> hmm
[19:33:17 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> interesting
[19:33:23 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> I guess I could do that
[19:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN>
[19:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> hehe
[19:34:03 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> thnkx for the idea
[19:35:55 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> np
[19:37:30 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> gotta go now
[19:37:30 EDT(-0400)] <EiNZTEiN> ttyl
[19:39:46 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> cya