uPortal IRC Logs-2007-05-10

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[09:53:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> eric, there is a discussion going on in the portals pmc about wsrp4j's future
[09:53:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> interesting
[09:53:49 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i have to head to a meeting at 10.
[09:54:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> there are two specific concerns about wsrp4j
[09:54:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> is there a list I should be lurking on?
[09:54:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> its private
[09:54:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> figured
[09:54:44 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> 1) patent issues, which no one yet seems to be able to fully articulate yet they are believed to exist
[09:54:48 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> 2) lack of community
[09:55:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> what exactly are they concerned is patented?
[09:55:52 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> from an email
[09:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> In the Oasis pages there is a page where participants must list their IP
[09:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> related with the project. WebCollage lists the "dangerous" one. I'll try
[09:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> to find a more precise pointer later, coming from the discussions
[09:55:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> around. The patent is a international one, based on a US one. The
[09:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> international one was not listed, but the US one is very broad, claiming
[09:55:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> patent for remote markup generation where a server gets the markup sent
[09:55:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> to the client from a different server, or something similar.
[09:55:59 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> This is all from my head, a search in the Oasis website or /me searching
[09:56:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> in the emails archives should have something more precise.
[09:56:21 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> end email
[09:56:36 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> wsrp 2.0 spec is not finalized. and there has been no open source impl announced
[09:56:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> uhg
[09:57:24 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> so there is a crossroads here. if uPortal or sakai are serious about wsrp, I will chime in and this conversation can move to a public list
[09:57:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i'm not convinced that I specificly have cycles for wsrp
[09:58:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> either do I or many other people right now
[09:58:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I would bring up that Chuck via Sakai is very interested in a WSRP4J re-write being done
[09:58:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> anyway, I need to run to a meeting but chew on this. I will chime in and say that uportal is interesested ..
[09:58:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> ok yeah
[09:58:48 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> bbiab
[09:58:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> k
[10:09:03 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I might have cycles for WSRP
[10:09:22 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Chuck would love that
[10:09:24 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> much as I'm on the fence about the spec in general
[10:09:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> his goal is to get uPortal/Sakai/pluto folks together and do a complete from scratch impl
[10:09:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that uses pluto for the back end
[10:09:58 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> yeah, there's a few groups very interested in it – especially people trying to integrate Peoplesoft, et al
[10:10:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[10:10:08 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I think that's basically how Oracle Portal supports portlets in general
[10:10:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yup
[10:10:36 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hey – saw that the UP-1040 patch made it into SVN
[10:10:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[10:10:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I did a fair ammount of testing with it
[10:11:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so I hope it doesn't break things
[10:11:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I didn't have time to test it as well as I would like :/
[10:11:37 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> If it doesn't break your setup, I think most everyone else won't have too many problems
[10:12:05 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> maybe it's worth posting to the list a call for testing – since this has been a big enough issue for some people, see if we can get them to kick it around
[10:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> Maybe Cris H. or someone from Unicon can give it a look.
[10:12:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well there could be some interesting cases with overriding preferences that have the same name and values just in different orders and such
[10:12:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the way it works is it fakes the channel definition level prefs by making one big prefs object out of the 3 layers
[10:13:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and then to get them back appart when storing it scans the whole object and removes all known preferences and stores the rest
[10:13:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so that comparison logic is pretty crucial
[10:13:33 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hmmm... gotcha
[10:13:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it looks good though
[10:13:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and I did test it fairly well
[10:13:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it would be good to even have another set of eyes look at the patch
[10:13:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it isn't that big
[10:14:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and really the only class that needs the review in the PortletEntityImpl
[10:14:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> is the*
[10:14:18 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I've got a 6 hour plane ride next week, I'll put it on my list of things to do on the plane
[10:14:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[10:14:50 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> Anytime you have to transfer through SEATAC to get somewhere, you know it's a looong trip...
[10:15:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[10:15:21 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> oops... meeting
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[11:42:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> one of the issues regarding wsrp4j was its dependency on pluto
[11:43:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> the current code base has refactored that dependency out
[11:43:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah ... I guess if designed appropriately that can be plugable
[11:43:08 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> so the rewrite would be pluggable
[11:47:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[11:47:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and I'm assuming if Chuck got the people he wants to do the rewrite they are smart enough to do it in a very plugable way
[11:47:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> similar to the pluto 1.0 vs 1.1 architecture
[11:47:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> sure, it would be a design requirement
[11:47:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wsrp4j really needs a similar type of approach
[11:47:58 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> yes
[11:48:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> on up3 stuff ... how are you doing? I'm starting the hibernate dao/transfer obj/domain obj refactoring
[11:49:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> good. gonna commit soon i was literally on 1% battery when i filed the issue
[11:49:27 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> soon as in like 1 hr
[11:49:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[11:49:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> working on it now
[11:49:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> cool
[11:50:15 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> sometimes i use my battery indicator as a way to let me known it is time for bed
[11:50:25 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i unplug my laptop and i go to sleep when the battery expirse
[11:50:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[12:08:35 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> publishing new pluto snapshot now
[12:08:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> cool
[12:11:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> my new laptop is here
[12:11:43 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i could probably get it configured adn set up before the pluto deploy finishes
[12:12:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[12:12:38 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> this laptop is soooo slow
[12:14:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> did you just get a new MBP?
[12:14:36 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> yes yes yes!!!! gggggooooooaaaaaalllllll
[12:14:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> it is in a box somewhere at receiving
[12:15:03 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> 3gb ram
[12:15:06 EDT(-0400)] * esm_ drools
[12:15:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ooo
[12:15:26 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> export JAVA_OPTS=-Xmx512m
[12:15:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i'm on a 512 meg powerbook g4, like 833MHz now
[12:16:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wow
[12:16:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i'm gussing it will take maven 10 minutes to build and deploy pluto
[12:16:15 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is going to be night and day
[12:16:25 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> yeah
[12:16:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> when i was profiling the assembler code i had eclipse and yourkit running, as well as maven
[12:17:00 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> that was.... frustrating
[12:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wow
[12:17:35 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I bet
[12:19:02 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> bbiab time for quick lunch
[13:48:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> committed the change to trunk for ear assembly
[13:48:36 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> testing now on a clean build
[13:48:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> cool
[13:50:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> something is whacked
[13:50:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[14:00:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> ok the snapshot deploy is somewhat borked.
[14:00:44 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i'm going to back it out
[14:00:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> the change that is
[14:00:54 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> i have a meeting to go to then i'll fix it
[14:05:00 EDT(-0400)] <esm_> ok changed backed out, be back in a bit
[14:05:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
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