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[10:30:03 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> morning
[10:31:54 EDT(-0400)] <esm> morning
[10:32:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so I'm thinkning of not doing a release for the dev meeting
[10:32:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> While there have been a lot of changes I don't think we're at a point where it is going to be much easier to use that RC1
[10:33:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I need like a RC2-M1 or some such
[10:33:13 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ahah
[10:33:16 EDT(-0400)] <esm> well I think that is ok
[10:33:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[10:33:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i agree that if RC2 is supposed to be a feature release, there's not much that is new feature-wise
[10:34:38 EDT(-0400)] <esm> whoops meeting!!!!
[10:34:43 EDT(-0400)] <esm> man i'm always late
[10:34:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> bbib
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[12:08:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yay meetings
[12:08:34 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[12:08:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh so much fun
[12:08:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah i spent some more time digging at the assembly lifecycle issue last night
[12:09:00 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> <borat>NOT</borat>
[12:09:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> any luck?
[12:09:22 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i think i might understand things more clearly
[12:09:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> needed more of a delay pberry
[12:09:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[12:09:44 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> heh
[12:09:52 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i'll play with it some more this week.
[12:10:21 EDT(-0400)] <esm> EricDalquist: when do you think it is an appropriate time to discuss portlet hot-assembly/deploy?
[12:10:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> when ever you would like
[12:10:52 EDT(-0400)] <esm> is that something that we should discuss at the dev meeting?
[12:11:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> we can, I'm not sure there is much to talk about
[12:11:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it is a pretty straight forward feature
[12:11:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm> I need to review the existing uP3 roadmap; while it would be a nice feature to have I don't know where it falls in the priorities. Not to say that just becuase you discuss a design that implementation immediately follows.
[12:12:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just someone needs to spend the time to add it
[12:12:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ok
[12:12:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> if there are design questions you have we can talk about them at the dev meeting
[12:12:26 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ok sounds good
[12:13:29 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> right now I'm fighing my programmer side to prepare for the dev meeting
[12:13:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'd rather do things like the DAO/Registry simplification that I have planned
[12:14:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yes! I know what you mean.
[12:14:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> There are 3 (or 2?) coding days
[12:14:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well 2 to 3
[12:15:08 EDT(-0400)] <esm> right ok i just loaded the detailed agenda
[12:15:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it depends how many questions people have on Wednesday WRT uP3
[12:15:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and if you're only partly interested in the uP3 stuff there is no reason you can't be coding while that is going on
[12:15:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[12:15:27 EDT(-0400)] <esm> right. I'm def interested in the 25 session
[12:15:37 EDT(-0400)] <esm> er the session on the 25th regarding architecture
[12:15:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> on a different topic ... anyone know of a LDAP server that is like HSQL? Very simple to start/populate/etc
[12:16:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I could have swore the Unicon used to use one in their training...
[12:16:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> http://directory.apache.org/ - i don't know how easy it is
[12:16:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'd love to have the uP3 quick start also have a mini-ldap server it uses for users
[12:17:02 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ApacheDS is an an embeddable directory server entirely written in Java,
[12:17:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> just to show how it is done
[12:17:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> mmmm
[12:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ApacheDS looks perfect
[12:17:38 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yep
[12:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm> they claim to have multi-master replication
[12:17:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is going to make testing ldap suppor MUCH easier
[12:18:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> support*
[12:18:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> they offer an eclipse plugin for working with Apache DS
[12:21:23 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> mmm
[12:21:31 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> you're making me drool ...
[12:21:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> whoa
[12:21:42 EDT(-0400)] <esm>
[12:21:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I've been looking for something like this for a while
[12:21:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> for configuration
[12:21:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and testing
[12:22:04 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[12:22:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> this would be great for adding unit tests to LDAP code
[12:22:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yes yes yes
[12:22:25 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it seems pretty cool
[12:22:36 EDT(-0400)] <esm> they are definitly a project with momentum
[12:22:48 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/1.0/using-apacheds-for-unit-tests.html
[12:22:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> :-D
[12:23:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ahahah
[12:23:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> fight the inner programmer
[12:23:21 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> grrr
[12:23:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> back to email and powerpoint
[12:23:43 EDT(-0400)] <esm> noooooooooooooo
[12:25:22 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so i just installed innotek virtual box on a recommendation from a colleague (its a virtual machine)
[12:25:25 EDT(-0400)] <esm> seems pretty nice
[12:25:48 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> that reminds me...need to buy parallels
[12:27:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ah i'd recommend virtaulbox but they don't have a mac download.
[12:27:23 EDT(-0400)] <esm> http://www.virtualbox.org/
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[13:06:44 EDT(-0400)] <esm> my virtual machine filled up my hard drive (not the virtual hard drive, my non-virtual hard drive)
[13:06:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oops
[13:07:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> the virtual machine handled it very well - it warned me about the condition and suspended the machine
[13:07:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> I then proceeded to wipe out 6 projects from my svn directories. and then resumed the machine and it picked up right where it left off
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[14:52:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> anyone: what's a good gui database browser that can be used on linux?
[14:53:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm> right now i'm using the HSQL swing gui
[15:10:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh
[15:10:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> squirell SQL
[15:10:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> GREAT SQL client
[15:10:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 100% java
[15:11:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> has plugins for lots of db specific stuff
[15:30:51 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ok NICE
[15:30:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm> thanks eric i will check it out
[15:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i switched to using hsql's sqltool
[15:31:42 EDT(-0400)] <esm> downloading squirrel now
[15:42:01 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it is all I use now
[15:43:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> wow this is REALLY REALLY NICE
[15:44:00 EDT(-0400)] <esm> slick
[15:47:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist>
[16:06:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> wow i have to be connected to the slowest database ever
[16:08:02 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[16:09:23 EDT(-0400)] <esm> oh you can't copy the query info
[16:09:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ?
[16:09:33 EDT(-0400)] <esm> 80 seconds for one query.
[16:09:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> basically a select * limit 100
[16:09:50 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wow
[16:09:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm> geez
[16:09:53 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is terrible
[16:10:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah we have a meeting this friday... I think i will bring this up ...
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