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[11:33:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/28/144218
[11:33:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> google is looking at providing hosted JS libraries
[11:33:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and dealing with all the cache header stuff ...
[11:41:35 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh interesitng
[11:41:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> no https support yet :/
[11:41:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> heh, yeah
[11:41:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but they set the cache expiration to 1 year
[11:41:55 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> also i wonder what the performance will be like
[11:42:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and have nice standard URLs like: http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.2.6/jquery.min.js
[11:42:08 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> we've had major problems with the performance of downloading their API scripts
[11:42:13 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> that's nice
[11:42:37 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the response sets:
[11:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Expires: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:40:55 GMT
[11:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Cache-Control: public, max-age=31536000
[11:42:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Content-Encoding: gzip
[11:42:46 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> interesting
[11:42:57 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> which is what that filter we are talking about would need to do
[11:43:06 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> the jquery documentation seems to advocate that you not use them gzip'd
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[12:18:31 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> I see that JA-SIG has open source licenses for Intellij IDEA. Would anyone know who takes care of that?
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[12:18:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm> IDEA is niiiice
[12:19:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah?
[12:19:20 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> yes, I like it too
[12:19:29 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yup been using it for 4 or 5 months now
[12:19:35 EDT(-0400)] <esm> bye bye eclipse
[12:20:19 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> did you get a JA-SIG open source license for it?
[12:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <esm> no i paid for it :/
[12:20:40 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> personal edition?
[12:20:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[12:20:48 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i think
[12:20:56 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> $249
[12:20:58 EDT(-0400)] * esm checks
[12:21:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm> well i work for a .edu
[12:21:13 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so i think i paid 99
[12:21:31 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> ah
[12:21:42 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i've easily gleaned 99 bucks worth of productivy
[12:21:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> eclipse sucks so bad 
[12:22:22 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Programmer Dies of Starvation, Waiting for Eclipse to Open
[12:22:24 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> except at being free and open source
[12:22:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm> aw shucks too bad
[12:22:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i'll pay 99 bucks for good software
[12:22:56 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> you might, not everyone will though
[12:22:56 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> Open Source licensing for Intellij is free too
[12:23:09 EDT(-0400)] <holdorph> and especially not everyone can get the $99 price
[12:23:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> thats fine people can run whatever IDE they want
[12:23:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> IDEA does some annoying things, but less annoying than eclipse
[12:24:06 EDT(-0400)] <esm> but it does some really cool things
[12:24:13 EDT(-0400)] <esm> cursor on an interface method
[12:24:40 EDT(-0400)] <esm> option-apple-b and get a drop-down select box of implementing methods and jump to the source
[12:24:58 EDT(-0400)] <esm> real multi-module project support
[12:25:08 EDT(-0400)] <esm> whether it be maven or intellij
[12:25:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm> its DSM (dependeny analysis) tool is nice
[12:25:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> and so far, i haven't had to install one plugin
[12:34:03 EDT(-0400)] <MarkRogers> so, nobody here is using a JA-SIG license for Intellij, I presume
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[15:56:56 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> ja-sig fisheye = super slow 
[15:57:04 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[15:57:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wait 10 minutes
[15:57:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it gets rebooted every 30
[15:57:29 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> ok
[15:57:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> apparently one of the branch/merge sets confuses fisheye
[15:57:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and it dies on it
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[16:20:29 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> poor fisheye
[16:23:43 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol
[16:24:13 EDT(-0400)] * EricDalquist has little sympathy for fisheye
[16:37:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> poor us?
[16:37:47 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that works
[16:38:52 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[16:38:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> more accurate, sadly
[16:39:39 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it's like the eye of sad, blind fish that swims around in circles and has to be thrown back in the water every 30 minutes after accidentally flopping out
[16:39:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> lol
[16:42:03 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> nice to see you back online dstn
[16:45:47 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> hey thanks, sort of a temp solution right now, still don't have my machine
[16:46:53 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh, that's lame
[16:47:04 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> are you making them get you something nice? i assume you've started by now
[16:47:20 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> also, i left toys in my cube, if you get too bored
[16:48:26 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> argh i wish svn queries ran faster
[16:49:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah, that is an issue I'm not happy about with the new box
[16:49:23 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> it's related to the new machine?
[16:49:25 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it's a Sun T2000, so it has 16 cores
[16:49:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well 4 cores
[16:49:39 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 4 threads/core
[16:49:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> each core is at 1GHz
[16:49:46 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so rather slow
[16:49:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> ah
[16:49:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but it is great as a web-server
[16:49:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
[16:50:05 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> problem is SVN requires a fair about of single-threaded horsepower
[16:50:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> s/about/amount
[16:50:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so svn is actually slower on the new box
[16:50:30 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> interesting
[16:50:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> but all the other web-based stuff is generally faster
[16:50:48 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> hey i did fix this bug
[16:50:50 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yeah
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[17:10:07 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> Sorry, I was afk jen...ya its a really nice machine! Toys, sweeeeet!
[17:12:19 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> oh good
[17:12:27 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> just not physically arrived?
[17:12:47 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> Not sure where your office is but I'll be sure to raid it
[17:12:55 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> ya, hoping tomorrow
[17:12:56 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> 175 whitney rotunda
[17:13:07 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> oh so its next door
[17:13:11 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> andy has instructions to give you toys
[17:13:12 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> yes
[17:13:20 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> lol!
[17:13:31 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> Have yet to meet Andy, looking forward to it.
[17:13:54 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> excellent
[17:13:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> he's great
[17:14:40 EDT(-0400)] <dstn> well I'm headed home, have a good night
[17:14:57 EDT(-0400)] <athena7> you too
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