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[11:02:47 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Chuck Norris has the greatest Poker-Face of all time. He won the 1983 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.
[11:03:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> 
[11:03:31 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> LOL
[11:03:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Wow, what did I just walk into?
[11:03:51 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> Chuck Norris and poker. Or monopoly. Or something.
[11:04:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> heheh the first post since i've been in the room
[11:05:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i'm just passing along random stuff i get in a local chat room here at jhu
[11:05:13 EDT(-0400)] <esm> (sorry )
[11:05:39 EDT(-0400)] <colinclark> esm: No, it's hilarious. Keep it up.
[11:43:38 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hey esm
[11:43:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm> hey on phone one sec
[11:43:54 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> k
[11:54:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> sorry still on phone
[11:54:59 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well I'll post my question and you can get to it when you're done
[11:55:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I have a portlet that we use here and I'm cleaning up for sharing with JA-SIG that is just used for testing. It does things like display a table of links for switching between modes/states using the various ways to do so, or testing caching options and several other things. It doesn't fit the pluto test portlet model of Pass/Fail tests but more a way for a portal developer to test features. Is this something that Pluto could possibly be
[12:17:10 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[12:17:22 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so that is part of the debate right now on the portals general list
[12:17:26 EDT(-0400)] <esm> is where does this stuff go
[12:17:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:17:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> understandable
[12:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so yes i think it would be useful
[12:18:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm> but i'm not sure where it would go
[12:18:17 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> there is this line between 'just being the jsr-168 reference' and being the repository for generally useful portlet/portal stuff that is either pluto specific of spec compliant
[12:18:44 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I wonder how tomcat deals with that?
[12:18:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i guess.
[12:18:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> since they have a similar issue
[12:19:00 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> they're the servlet spec reference
[12:19:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i think the line is arbitrary, and i think there have been knee-jerk reactions to some proposals
[12:19:30 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh I agree, I think it is just a matter of what the people involved are comfortable with
[12:19:35 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[12:20:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i dunno how TC handles this. but i think in part the servlet community is much different from the portlet community
[12:20:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that is true
[12:20:28 EDT(-0400)] <esm> features like assembly, hot deploy, ajax are dealt with in different ways
[12:21:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i could see pluto having a plugin architecture for optional services
[12:21:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i don't know how that helps assembly specifically, but i could see pluto's container discovering and loading optional services at runtime
[12:22:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[12:23:26 EDT(-0400)] <esm> off to lunch bbiab
[12:23:36 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> later
[13:30:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> uhg ... I really don't like dealing with window states in uP2
[13:49:51 EDT(-0400)] <esm>
[13:50:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> no M2 artifacts seem to be published for sakai in their repo
[13:50:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm> http://source.sakaiproject.org/maven2/org/sakaiproject/
[14:33:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hrm I wonder if when we start going through cleaning things up we can remove a bunch of the old layout files too
[14:34:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so it doesn't take me 15 minutes to find the .xsl the portal is using
[14:42:42 EDT(-0400)] <esm> +1 here
[14:42:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it would be nice for skins to be separate artifacts
[14:43:01 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i don't know if that is possible
[14:43:02 EDT(-0400)] <esm> but
[14:45:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> that it would
[14:47:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> now I'm just trying to figure out why my changes in eclipse don't seem to be affecting the running instance after a deploy/restart
[14:47:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> do you run tomcat from within eclipse?
[14:47:56 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah
[14:48:06 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I changed portal.properties to dump the layout xml
[14:48:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh
[14:48:14 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> duh
[14:48:19 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I need to set logging to debug
[14:48:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm> nice
[14:49:37 EDT(-0400)] <esm> my dad got me some new pens
[14:49:41 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> though that still doesn't explain why my breakpoint isn't getting hit
[14:49:43 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> oh well
[14:49:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> new pens?
[14:49:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah writing pens
[14:49:59 EDT(-0400)] <esm> tul is the brand
[14:50:00 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pretty nice
[14:50:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> the gell retractable
[14:51:05 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i'd send you to a url but its all flash-tastic
[14:51:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> uhg
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[15:04:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hey andrew
[15:39:03 EDT(-0400)] <andrew_petro_ubu> hey
[15:39:34 EDT(-0400)] <andrew_petro_ubu> allocated full time on a uPortal mentoring gig today, so my bandwidth to participate here is limited during reg business hours, but happy to lurk
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[15:42:11 EDT(-0400)] <esm> jayshao: so whats up with sakai's m2 repository
[15:42:49 EDT(-0400)] <esm> http://source.sakaiproject.org/maven2/org/sakaiproject/ seems to be devoid of artifacts
[16:06:54 EDT(-0400)] <andrew_petro_ubu> dunno, that's odd
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