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[10:16:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> morning
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[10:29:11 EDT(-0400)] <esm> meetings 4 liiiiiife
[10:35:08 EDT(-0400)] <esm> bbiab.
[10:36:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ooops meeting is delayed
[10:37:05 EDT(-0400)] <esm> we're looking hard at Sun's ZFS file system
[10:37:12 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> mmm
[10:37:24 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> from all I've read that is a pretty sweet bit of tech
[10:37:26 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it looks really, really really really cool and easy
[10:37:34 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah same here
[10:38:38 EDT(-0400)] <esm> http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4500/
[10:38:41 EDT(-0400)] <esm> "Thumper"
[10:38:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> 24 TB in 4 U
[10:38:55 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> wow
[10:39:14 EDT(-0400)] <esm> we're working on data curation stuff here in the library
[10:39:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> and need some storage 
[10:39:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm> cheap storage.
[10:40:24 EDT(-0400)] <esm> you can get 10 of them for 470 grand.
[10:40:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm> factor in the edu discount...
[10:52:12 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> been hearing lots of rumors about Apple porting ZFS over to OS X
[10:52:28 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> which makes me happy
[10:52:55 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> what kinds of proposals did people send in for JA-SIG?
[11:15:03 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pberry: i've heard that too
[11:15:24 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pberry: we have three xraids right now, but we're not entirely happy with them. (X-RAID + XSan)
[11:15:51 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> bummer
[11:16:05 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> we're not happy with our Dell crap if that makes you feel any better 
[11:16:20 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> well, I can't speak for the sysadmin guys...they might love it
[11:16:47 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah. From a sysadmin perspective, i'm not happy with apple. They are cheap but...
[11:17:31 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> they're still pretty new to this area...
[11:17:41 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> not that it's a valid excuse for crappy products...
[11:17:45 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm just sayin'
[11:17:50 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yep, but we have two (or is it three) generations of x-raids
[11:17:59 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I was always wondering why they wanted in on this market
[11:19:16 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah i was curious too. They just had the right price point, especially for XSan.
[11:20:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> wow, google desktop for mac is out
[11:21:22 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> http://desktop.google.com/mac/
[11:22:47 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> w00h00, just got notice that one of my proposals for JA-SIG was accepted
[11:23:28 EDT(-0400)] * esm cheers
[11:23:31 EDT(-0400)] <esm> topic?
[11:23:43 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Lessons Learned from Rails Development
[11:24:06 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I wanted to call it "What Java Can Learn From Rails" but thought better of it
[11:24:26 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm hoping I get another accepted that was for JIRA
[11:25:03 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> "Pragmatic Issue Tracking with JIRA"
[11:25:11 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm wondering what google desktop for osx will give me that spotlight doesn't
[11:25:45 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> Spotlight doesn't send your searches to google...?
[11:25:48 EDT(-0400)] <pberry>
[11:26:06 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pberry: cool. good call on the rails name I haven't touched Ruby but I'm interested in knowing more.
[11:26:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> woohoo
[11:26:45 EDT(-0400)] <esm> well, i'm not that interested in ruby
[11:26:57 EDT(-0400)] <esm> other than to know another language and pad the resume at this point
[11:26:58 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> esm: yeah, it's funny...we run uPortal, JIRA, we're getting Confluence going...so we deploy lots of Java. But damn was Rails fun
[11:27:24 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pberry: cool. Well I guess I will have to get sucked in. I need to learn Python as well.
[11:27:59 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i'm just a slave to my IDE.
[11:28:10 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> esm: we've used python to replace perl for admin scripting type stuff
[11:28:11 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it feels weird going back to vim.
[11:28:28 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> I'm sure I drive my boss crazy with all the languages
[11:28:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pberry: yeah cool! Perl is so awful. I mean as far as supporting it goes.
[11:28:50 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> We have legacy perl and php of course...
[11:29:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> But new stuff for the web is rails and new admin stuff is python
[11:29:23 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> although, it's kinda odd we don't use ruby for admin scripting...
[11:29:27 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> but...we just don't
[11:29:32 EDT(-0400)] * pberry shrugs
[11:30:02 EDT(-0400)] <esm> We have a little perl, quite a bit of PHP, at least as much Java. For admin stuff we do shell scripting, but we're not doing very complex things.
[11:31:03 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ack late for lunch meeting
[11:31:04 EDT(-0400)] <esm> bbib
[11:31:08 EDT(-0400)] <pberry> If you saw somebody writing servlets in Java today and they weren't already using a framework, what would people recommend? Spring?
[11:31:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> pring.
[11:31:21 EDT(-0400)] <esm> spring
[11:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> spring
[11:31:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> if it is complex
[11:31:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> spring =
[11:31:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> spring + webflow
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