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[15:24:20 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> Eric?
[15:27:10 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> hey
[15:27:20 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sorry ... im sounds don't seem to be coming through today
[15:27:27 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> np
[15:27:30 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> I was looking to take some of the theme work that Jen and Gary Thompson did for Brooklyn (in incorporating some of the theme features from Academus) and merge them into the default theme for uPortal
[15:27:40 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok
[15:27:54 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> I understand that you might be doing some work to incorporate some FLUID stuff into the theme
[15:28:03 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> or maybe someone else is that you know of
[15:28:09 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yes, well Jen and a few fluid developers are doing the work
[15:28:51 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> the plan is to incorporate the Fluid re-orderer component to handle drag&drop layout arrangement
[15:29:07 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> hmm
[15:29:08 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> Jen is working on the uPortal side of things to generate the data we need to pass the component
[15:29:28 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and the Fluid folks are working on updating the component to work with a column based layout
[15:30:05 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> I see
[15:30:42 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> a nice side effect of this will be to have the DnD preferences honor DLM restrictions
[15:30:58 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> Well, I was hoping to get our changes incorporated soon. Perhaps it will work to do that, and then work from there?
[15:31:07 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> so ... what exactly are you looking to incorporate?
[15:31:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> it could very well work to get them in soon, we'll just have to coordinate and I can help with that
[15:31:49 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> also, I'm assuming you're planning on moving these into the trunk?
[15:32:22 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> yeah, though that is a bit scary 
[15:32:41 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> it certainly looks different than the last time I checked something in
[15:32:58 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> yeah, I can imagine ... I will definitely be available to help get comfortable with the changed structure and build process
[15:33:03 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> The features include: drop down menus from the tab, a web search feature in the theme, quicklinks, etc
[15:33:40 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> I was hoping to get it ready and send a message out to the list explaining the proposed changes
[15:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> ok, yeah that would be great
[15:34:02 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> but I didn't want to waste any effort if we knew theme was changing under me
[15:34:32 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> well I don't think the theme will be changing much with the fluid incorporation work
[15:35:16 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> my first concern would be a possible JavaScript library issue since it sounds like there is JS used in your updates but that is something we'll have to deal with
[15:35:57 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> there is definitely javascript involved
[15:36:16 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> the good news is that if Jen is doing some of the work, she will be familiar with it already
[15:36:26 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> good to hear
[15:36:52 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> well thx for the info. I will probably ping Jen to make sure we are also on the same page
[15:37:13 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I do think at this point an email to the dev list with descriptions (and possibly screenshots) would be the place to start. We can talk on the list about how we're going to go about it and what we'll need to watch out for
[15:37:18 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sounds good
[15:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> and I'm on board for the sooner rather than later approach
[15:37:41 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> sounds good.
[15:37:45 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> I'm planning on cutting a milestone release before the unconference and then the goal is to have an RC in december
[15:38:23 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> my availability to help is a closing window, so if it is not soon it may be a much longer time
[15:38:59 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> so we will see what we can get done without causing problems for people
[15:39:27 EDT(-0400)] <EricDalquist> sounds good, I'll be keeping this in mind and if you feel like you're getting stuck or need help figuring out what the next steps are let me know
[15:39:50 EDT(-0400)] <shawnlonas> will do. thx again!
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[16:27:38 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> hey – anyone played with PortletPreferences configured in Channel manager in 2.6?
[16:27:55 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I think I'm seeing wonky behavior and wondering if anyone else can reproduce
[16:28:32 EDT(-0400)] <esm> I haven't- sorry jayshao
[16:29:03 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I'm wondering if UP-1040 needs to be reopened
[16:29:21 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> it looks to me like if you use ChannelManager to specify PortletPreferences
[16:29:31 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> if you make then Read-Only they're fine
[16:29:36 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> but if you allow them to be written
[16:29:43 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> .store() claims to work
[16:29:49 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> but the old values stick
[16:29:59 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> even if you delete them from the ChannelManager screen
[16:30:07 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> thought I was loosing my mind for a few minutes
[16:30:09 EDT(-0400)] <esm> uhg
[16:30:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> I don't have a 2.6 instance handy to test
[16:30:25 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> was running against an embedded HSQL at the time, so didn't peek to see if the values in the db
[16:30:35 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> but I'm suspicious that PortletAdaptor is just overwriting them
[16:30:41 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> and that they're being updated correctly
[16:30:46 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah
[16:31:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> I might ping the list. Eric left chat a little while ago
[16:31:23 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> darn – was hoping to see him here
[16:31:29 EDT(-0400)] <esm> it may be worth it thought to peek into the hsql db
[16:31:29 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> he done for the day?
[16:31:33 EDT(-0400)] <esm> not sure
[16:31:49 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> yah, probably going to try and really confirm before raising alarms
[16:31:49 EDT(-0400)] <esm> he left at 3:54 est, which is 2:54 his time
[16:32:05 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> knowing the history on that channelmanager layering though...
[16:32:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> heheh
[16:32:39 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Maybe you can get Tim Carrol to repsond on list
[16:32:51 EDT(-0400)] <esm> IIRC he authored the UP-140 patch
[16:32:55 EDT(-0400)] <esm> *1040
[16:33:06 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> yeah, I'm going to try with a clean install and see if I can reproduce against MySQL or something that's easier to check
[16:33:12 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> probably not until tomorrow
[16:33:18 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> was hoping to get lucky
[16:33:24 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ah. Squirrel SQL makes it easy no matter what DB
[16:33:52 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> well, I was running in full embedded mode at the time, so not listening on any ports...
[16:33:59 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> don't think Squirrel helps that scenario much
[16:34:13 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I've prefered ADS – don't like DBViz
[16:34:16 EDT(-0400)] <esm> oh i see
[16:34:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm> right yeah
[16:34:20 EDT(-0400)] <esm> not so much
[16:34:21 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> still waiting for a good Java DB client
[16:34:40 EDT(-0400)] <esm> Squirrel is java what you dont think it is good??
[16:35:06 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> last I had tried it (a while ago) it was flaky for me
[16:35:09 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> against Oracle at the time
[16:35:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm> ah
[16:35:28 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> might be willing to give it another shot
[16:35:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i use it against mssql, mysql, and hsql
[16:37:27 EDT(-0400)] <esm> man you almost have to use svn-load-dirs.pl to do serious vendor branch management work
[16:40:07 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> I hear you
[16:40:11 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> it's pretty gross
[16:40:26 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> and the deletion problem fix is just meaningless
[16:40:41 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> seeing hundreds of files and trying to match their ancestry is ridiculous
[16:41:04 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> isn't SVN 1.5 supposed to have some kind of real remote repo import thing?
[16:41:13 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah in our set up we always (as I've found out) use --ignore-ancestry
[16:41:18 EDT(-0400)] <esm> 1.4 has svnsync
[16:41:30 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so you should be able to mirror 1.4.x repositories
[16:41:39 EDT(-0400)] <esm> we are still on 1.3 so i haven't played with it
[16:41:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> i wanted to upgrade last week but Berkeley DB's site was down
[16:42:07 EDT(-0400)] <esm> (we use the BDB backend and were going to upgrade that first)
[16:44:56 EDT(-0400)] <esm> we don't quite follow their recommended vendor branch management
[16:45:09 EDT(-0400)] <esm> we don't have a "current" directory like they recommend
[16:45:46 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> use trunk?
[16:45:53 EDT(-0400)] <esm> so we have a /vendor/vX and a /vendor/vY branch, and I wan to merge the diff between X and Y to /trunk
[16:46:02 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> ah
[16:46:06 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> makes as much sense as any
[16:46:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> yeah it works pretty well
[16:46:12 EDT(-0400)] <esm> but
[16:46:15 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> esp. if you're going to throw away anceastry
[16:46:23 EDT(-0400)] <jayshao> which I'm not really impressed w/ for the vendor scenario
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