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[13:47:10 CDT(-0500)] <battags> did you had ideas on alternatives?
[13:47:51 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> https://wiki.jasig.org/display/~awp9/CAS+Services+Registry+Improvements+for+CAS+3.5#CASServicesRegistryImprovementsforCAS35-EliminateOrderfieldonregisteredservicesinfavorofimplicitOrder
[13:48:55 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> https://issues.jasig.org/browse/CAS-1013
[13:49:59 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> Basically, the idea is that, as deployers use the registry, when they mean for patterns to overlap, longer patterns are obviously intended to be more specific than shorter generic patterns
[13:50:08 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> so apply the implied intent
[13:50:55 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> https://www.vt.edu/myservice matches preferentially over https://**
[13:51:01 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> the more specific/exact always wins
[13:51:09 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> right
[13:51:20 CDT(-0500)] <battags> so to do that you need to compare just patterns
[13:51:35 CDT(-0500)] <battags> like you can't just compare string length
[13:51:59 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> sure. Real work to implement (or, borrow) a sensible matching/ordering algorithm
[13:52:18 CDT(-0500)] <battags> if one exists go for it. But I know Spring Security just tells you to put most specific first
[13:52:21 CDT(-0500)] <battags> 
[13:53:10 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> gotta go in 8 minutes
[13:53:51 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> Alright. So, code sharing working towards a better Services Registry.
[13:54:09 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> Pop: Roadmap. Go!
[13:54:26 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I still have to validate that what Marvin agreed to in proxy is okay
[13:54:28 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I am sure it is
[13:54:37 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I have been distracted by either cutting releases or my job
[13:54:42 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I apologize for that
[13:54:55 CDT(-0500)] <battags> that was all I had to say on it
[13:54:56 CDT(-0500)] <battags> ha
[13:55:08 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> Okay. I still need to there re-articulate the ClearPass vision.
[13:55:23 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> where are things with cleaning up errant non-current roadmappen?
[13:55:32 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> cool. feedback. making the roadmap real…and on-going alive is super helpful.
[13:56:02 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I still have the email thread starred as a reminder to complete
[13:56:12 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> still needs to be done. looks like marvin volunteered to do that at last steer metting
[13:56:47 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> ok. fine action items.
[13:56:54 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> Pop: Github migration. Go!
[13:57:06 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> github rocks!
[13:57:18 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> nuff said?
[13:57:19 CDT(-0500)] <battags> it does
[13:57:22 CDT(-0500)] <battags> the only issue I am seeing
[13:57:28 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> I expect I will continue to believe github rocks as I figure out how to be productive in it.
[13:57:37 CDT(-0500)] <battags> is that people aren't creating JIRA issues before requesting pulls
[13:57:40 CDT(-0500)] <battags> so some context is lost
[13:57:50 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> hmm
[13:57:51 CDT(-0500)] <battags> as well as the ability to have discussions
[13:58:01 CDT(-0500)] <battags> like we just get a request for code changes
[13:58:04 CDT(-0500)] <battags> which is fine when its a bug fix
[13:58:17 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I don't mind creating JIRA issues for bug fixes
[13:58:21 CDT(-0500)] <battags> though I'd prefer someone else did it 
[13:58:54 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> so, I think the folks wanting the pull…would be motivated to file a jira if they knew it would speed up the commit...
[13:59:11 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> like this, e.g. https://github.com/Jasig/cas/pull/6
[13:59:13 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> maybe just push back a gently.
[13:59:33 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> exactly! :0
[14:00:12 CDT(-0500)] <battags> so my concern is at the point at which a pull request was generated they already have code
[14:00:16 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> i suppose committers could agree that there should always be a jira. how it gets there is open
[14:00:31 CDT(-0500)] <battags> i.e. where was the discussion on cas-user/ dev
[14:00:50 CDT(-0500)] <battags> again for bug fixes not a huge deal
[14:00:52 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> discussion is good. discussion around working code… even better
[14:01:11 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> maybe some of the discussion starts happening on the pull requests?
[14:01:42 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I don't want people to waste their time writing code that might not be the right direction
[14:01:47 CDT(-0500)] <battags> i.e. if their idea/concern is great
[14:01:54 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> hmm….are they easily tracked.
[14:01:58 CDT(-0500)] <battags> but the code they spent hours on isn't the direction we would have taken the feature
[14:02:00 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> i get your point.
[14:02:11 CDT(-0500)] <battags> I'm all for other people writing code
[14:02:16 CDT(-0500)] <battags> just with input from the dev team
[14:02:19 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> early discussion, intent is always a good thing
[14:02:54 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> but as you said.. small bug fix…not a bit deal.
[14:03:08 CDT(-0500)] <battags> right
[14:03:10 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> yikes. gotta go.
[14:03:11 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> later.
[14:03:17 CDT(-0500)] <battags> later. have a good weekend
[14:03:21 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> u2
[14:03:57 CDT(-0500)] <apetro> My time is up. I thank you for yours.
[14:19:31 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> do you guys recommend any specific load balancing mechanism for HA ?
[14:27:07 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> foxnesn: for moodle, after the user first logs in, do you know if it's possible to automatically create the user based on their AD attributes?
[14:30:08 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> ooo
[14:30:42 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> i dont know. we run a script in oracle during registration that populates the ldap
[14:30:59 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> and since moodle is setup for ldap the students could just log in
[14:32:01 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> moodle stores users in the user table so im not sure how that would work
[14:41:48 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> i just don't want new users having to create their account
[14:41:53 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> it would be nice to automate it
[14:45:25 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> where's atilling when you need him 
[14:47:45 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> haha
[14:48:08 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> when students register dont you have some script that puts them into your AD?
[14:49:31 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> yes, but it wouldn't add them to moodle
[14:54:29 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> hrm, id have to ask our portal admin about that
[14:54:41 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> heh
[14:54:58 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> maybe you dont have to add them to moddle
[14:55:00 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> moodle
[14:55:02 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> though....
[14:55:26 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> if the user is in the AD and you set moodle to auth against the AD maybe it retrieves that data from there
[14:55:39 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> good thought
[14:55:42 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> i'll try it
[14:55:47 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> let me know!
[14:55:52 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> for sure
[15:09:20 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> hmmmm....after enabling cas, i can't login as the local moodle admin
[15:09:31 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> therefore, i have no admin access at the moment
[15:20:47 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> you should have an admin account that manually auths
[15:23:27 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> i do, but how do you login as the moodle admin account if everything goes through cas?
[15:26:20 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> add your moodle admin to the AD
[15:26:45 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> heh good idea
[15:27:05 CDT(-0500)] <foxnesn> so long as the password is good with AD specs
[15:28:45 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> w00t
[15:28:48 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> foxnesn: thanks
[15:29:05 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> i was looking for the admin group in the moodle database....i was desperate
[15:35:31 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> atilling mentioned 'login throttleing'
[15:35:39 CDT(-0500)] <kickehy> any idea what he means?
[15:37:04 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> dos countermeasure
[15:37:32 CDT(-0500)] <wgthom> mostly for misconfigured clients