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[09:18:13 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> ok
[09:18:40 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> when athena was doing testing the removal of that redirect actually made a pretty significant change in performance of the portlet
[09:18:56 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> sounds good
[09:19:21 CDT(-0500)] * athena looks up
[09:19:27 CDT(-0500)] <athena> hey Arvids 
[09:19:32 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> hey
[09:19:47 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> just talking about resource requests for ajax versus the old post/redirect approach from portlet 1.0
[09:19:49 CDT(-0500)] <athena> and yes, definite performance boost from JSR-286 and eliminating 302 redirects
[09:19:51 CDT(-0500)] <athena> was kinda surprised
[09:19:53 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> i believe it's very early morning for you, athena
[09:19:59 CDT(-0500)] <athena> 7:19am 
[09:20:07 CDT(-0500)] <athena> usually try and start at 7:30, up a bit early today
[09:20:10 CDT(-0500)] <athena> lots to do!
[09:20:14 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i'm sure it's late where you are
[09:20:30 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> work time has finished 20 minutes ago
[09:20:59 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> but I wanted to try my hand into developing that translator portlet
[09:21:35 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> I'd like to see it as very dynamic so that user can choose a message to translate and immediately translate it
[09:21:43 CDT(-0500)] <athena> that'd be really fantastic
[09:21:50 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> layout of portlet might be someething like this: https://imo.im/translate?lang_code=lv
[09:22:05 CDT(-0500)] <athena> that makes sense
[09:22:50 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> hmm... i'll have to send a wireframe on dev list tomorrow
[09:23:07 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> sounds great
[09:23:38 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> and one more thing - i see no really big advantage of using flows in this portlet... is it okay if i'll use good old controllers?
[09:23:39 CDT(-0500)] <athena> awesome
[09:23:53 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yeah, i just use vanilla spring portletmvc for a lot of stuff
[09:24:12 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i think flows only make sense when you have something that's a multi-step form type process
[09:24:22 CDT(-0500)] <athena> for simpler stuff it just gets awkward
[09:24:27 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> ok, it's just that i saw almost everything done using flows
[09:24:42 CDT(-0500)] * Arvids agrees
[09:24:45 CDT(-0500)] <athena> most of the stuff in uportal itself is so we can reuse subflows, etc.
[09:24:55 CDT(-0500)] <athena> but a lot of our portlets outside of uportal aren't
[09:24:58 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> yeah, but that's mostly in administrative part
[09:25:04 CDT(-0500)] <athena> and we have some non-flow portlets in uportal too
[09:25:12 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'm assuming this portlet would be part of the uPortal webapp
[09:25:18 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> of course
[09:25:19 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but I'm fine with it being plain old spring mvc
[09:25:38 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> since I don't believe the UI would be re-usable in other portlets
[09:25:41 CDT(-0500)] <athena> i guess the advantage of flows would be if it had a reason to reuse any of the existing webflows - other than that, doesn't seem like it'd help much
[09:25:43 CDT(-0500)] <athena> yeah
[09:25:56 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and if it is, it isn't terribly hard to rework a spring mvc portlet into a webflow portlet
[09:29:40 CDT(-0500)] <athena> quite true
[09:30:29 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> I believe i won't make that portlet perfect, but we need a starting point
[09:30:46 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yup
[09:30:47 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> without something to "touch" it looks like user list is very unersponsive
[09:31:18 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> we have something like prototype and then see what people suggest to change
[09:31:27 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> need to have
[09:32:20 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> agreed
[09:32:36 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> btw, a week ago i talked to Sakai i18n lead developer
[09:32:46 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> he pointed me to this wiki page: https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/I18N/Home
[09:32:55 CDT(-0500)] <Arvids> i found it very valueable
[09:33:04 CDT(-0500)] <athena> oh terrific
[09:35:50 CDT(-0500)] <athena> brb