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[11:04:01 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> Eric?
[11:07:16 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hi
[11:09:00 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> I've checked in a patch for UP-1869 to the latest in up2
[11:09:28 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[11:09:31 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> am not sure if the bug exists in what will become uPortal 3 or not.
[11:09:47 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it will be more useful in the 2.6 patches branch
[11:09:55 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> you may want to run through the steps I listed in the jira ticket
[11:09:58 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> the portal adapter as it exists now will be going away in the trunk
[11:10:13 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> kewl
[11:10:43 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> going away is fine, am concerned that the bug may still exist in uPortal 3 though. was hoping you could at least test the scenario to see if the problem exists.
[11:10:54 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[11:11:15 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> when the new portlet container code gets to that point we can test for it
[11:11:26 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> could you apply the patch to the 2.6 patches branch as well?
[11:11:44 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> am doing that now
[11:12:04 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> thanks
[11:16:46 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> I know the issue existed in the trunk, so I fixed it there too. If that is going away I guess that was a pointless exercise(smile)
[11:16:55 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> oh well, is feexed in 2.6 patches now
[11:16:58 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[11:16:58 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> thanks
[11:17:03 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> going to update jira
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[11:30:44 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> welcome (smile)
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[11:43:45 EST(-0500)] <jayshao> ##uportal seems to be the cool place to hang out
[11:44:12 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I should get around to contacting freenode and getting the ok for an 'official' #uportal channel
[11:44:20 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> though now that would just confuse everyone (wink)
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[12:15:01 EST(-0500)] * LennardFuller was wondering why the #s were there.
[12:15:39 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> have used irc for roughly 6 years at this point and never saw a channel named that way on purpose(smile)
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[12:27:50 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> hey scott?
[12:28:23 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> hey
[12:28:28 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> on the JPA vs hibernate front, what cris said stemmed from a conversation with the interface21 team at the last JavaOne
[12:28:48 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> it is not that Interface21 said that JPA is horrible or that spring does not support it.
[12:29:35 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> When they were asked point blank, what do you recommend we develop with, they said, for the time being, use Hibernate rather than JPA.
[12:30:08 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> Which is interesting considering the constant in bickering between Spring and JBoss.
[12:31:32 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I honestly don't care what you guys use but saying the Spring Community is down on JPA is a strong and erroneous statement
[12:34:18 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> and considering Hibernate implements the JPA interface you can still use hibernate
[12:34:27 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> but you also have the option of switching to another one
[12:35:34 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> umm... what cris said was more of a comparison and he passed it along based upon a face to face conversation with the interface 21 team.
[12:35:44 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so how about them ponies?
[12:36:28 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> have used both... currently prefer hibernate to the JPA interface.
[12:37:10 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ponies? what ponies? (I'm trying to infer that the email on the list talked about this enough and we don't need to get into politics between projects)
[12:37:21 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> lol
[12:37:35 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> (while that may not have been the intent that is how it read ... I'll respond on list about hibernate/jpa/etc later this week)
[12:37:45 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> figured it would be better here than have a more visible 'discussion' on the email list.
[12:38:00 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> oh this is just as visible
[12:38:07 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> there are lots of people that watch the IRC logs
[12:38:09 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> true
[12:38:11 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> I googled it
[12:38:17 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and there isn't much point to the discussion
[12:38:19 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I think I'm the only one that stalks you guys on the IRC logs (wink)
[12:38:20 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> however, most folks actually read their email
[12:38:40 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> (smile)
[12:38:43 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> we're looking at technical pros/cons for hibernate
[12:39:05 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and I think we have some good ones
[12:39:15 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> when you get right down to it... they are so similar in most respects, it isn't really a big deal.
[12:39:38 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> and converting from one to the other... if you have chosen hibernate as the framework... is mega easy.
[12:39:48 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> finding out who recommends what is also good, but the big thing with recommendations is not to start really discussing them ... they are just points of view from people not involved in the discussion
[12:39:56 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> the hibernate tools can go from one to the other easily.
[12:40:02 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> you should definitely use an ORM whether its Hibernate or another one (my coworker likes TopLink for some odd reason)
[12:40:13 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I think he's nuts personally
[12:40:16 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> lol
[12:40:18 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[12:40:19 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> LOL
[12:40:31 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> we use Hibernate with CAS
[12:40:36 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> though we use it via JPA (wink)
[12:40:49 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> in case my crazy coworker wants to use TopLink
[12:40:59 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> no matter which API you use with hibernate, as long as you choose hibernate as the framework, it is hard to go wrong.
[12:41:15 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> loads of people know how to use it... and, if used properly, it scales well.
[12:41:27 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> well unless you get caught in one of their bugs which happened to me lol
[12:41:38 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> (wink)
[12:41:44 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> always a danger(smile)
[12:41:44 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yeah I've had issues with hibernate in the past too
[12:41:55 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> its much better than using iBatis though
[12:41:58 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> though I imaging most ORM frameworks have their pitfals
[12:42:06 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'll look into JPA more this week
[12:42:14 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> at least there are well used forums with complaints and work arounds to be found for hibernate.
[12:42:47 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> The latest book that the hibernate folks put out covers both side by side throughout.
[12:43:22 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> how do the Hibernate specific anotations compare to JPAs?
[12:43:28 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I've always used the JPA ones
[12:43:40 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I know TopLink has some custom ones on top of the JPA ones
[12:43:45 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> (which annoys me to no end)
[12:43:54 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> (smile)
[12:43:58 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> they are comparable
[12:44:18 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> basically JPA is hibernate with some TopLink thrown in for good measure
[12:44:26 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I just don't like annotations for doing persistence (smile)
[12:44:33 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> you like the XML mapping?
[12:44:36 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> shudder
[12:44:36 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> don't have the book on my right now... would have to take a look at it... they had a nice chapter on the subject with afew tables.
[12:44:59 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> well I don't like the idea of spattering my persistence configuration all over my domain objects
[12:45:01 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> well... from the perspective of having true POJOs XML mapping is nicer
[12:45:08 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> why should my domain objects know how they are persisted?
[12:45:15 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> they actually don't know they are persisted
[12:45:18 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> its an annotation
[12:45:22 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> it doesn't affect the code (wink)
[12:45:23 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but it is in the code
[12:45:30 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I realize that the .class is the same
[12:45:32 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> you have an import
[12:45:34 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> well mostly
[12:45:43 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> don't get all specific on us :-p
[12:45:52 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but I now have persistence specific config & imports in data objects
[12:45:52 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> (smile)
[12:45:57 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> just feels icky to me (smile)
[12:46:01 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but to each his own
[12:46:21 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> so I guess you're not a fan of Grails validation stuff in domain objects either?
[12:46:50 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> haven't ever looked at Grails so I don't know
[12:47:10 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> you'd hate CAS...we use annotations to define the validation of properties (wink)
[12:47:15 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> jboss has some other validation goodies that are awesome
[12:48:59 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> http://www.hibernate.org/412.html
[12:49:39 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> nice
[12:50:31 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> the hibernate tools stuff has gotten a lot better. Fairly usable now.
[12:51:06 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> I hope to never again have to use the JBoss AS, but a lot of the other things that have been doing are proving to be pretty useful.
[12:51:33 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> have you tried seam at all?
[12:51:49 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> no... don't really plan on it. Have looked it over though.
[12:52:33 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> Most of the projects I am working on now are based on Spring, haven't really found any reasons to move to anything else.
[12:53:13 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> have looked at guice and seam though... just haven't used them for anything.
[12:53:47 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> am interested in hearing what folks who are not part of those dev teams have to say about them.
[12:56:16 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> I looked at guice and I wasn't super impressed with it but then I'm not the type of person that thinks everything should be an annotation (wink)
[12:57:24 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> yeah... that is definitely the cool aid of the day now.
[12:57:32 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> much like xml was in years gone by.
[12:58:06 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> if you ever want to see XML gone wild take a look at the SAML 2 specification
[12:59:18 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I really don't like vague specs
[12:59:37 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it really makes it hard when implementing them
[12:59:40 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> well SAML is very well defined...all 400 pages of it
[12:59:51 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> or are you talking about the portlet spec
[12:59:52 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> fun
[13:00:00 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> the portlet spec is about 90% well defined
[13:00:12 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but things like RenderResponse.setTitle
[13:00:31 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> there is no clarification that I can find if the title set should be 'forever' or just for that rendering
[13:02:34 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I'm just going to assume that it is just for 'the current' request
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[15:05:14 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> bets on how long uploading a 100MB video to youtube from home takes?
[15:07:11 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> got a decent connection?
[15:07:36 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> looks like its going about 80KBps up
[15:07:50 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> wish I would have had the video done in time to do this from the office
[15:08:26 EST(-0500)] <scottbattaglia> couldn't you just upload it tomorrow?
[15:08:35 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> with all the folks playing on unicon's network I generally get better times working from home.
[15:08:56 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Wow, there are so many people in the uPortal room today!
[15:09:11 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yeah ... if it fails I'll just do that
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[15:09:25 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> figured I'd let it go in the background while I was doing other stuff
[15:09:39 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> wish there was a progress bar for http uploads
[15:09:44 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> Susan asked if I had ever logged onto uportal's irc channel... I responded that I had never even heard there was one...
[15:09:58 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> would imagine she talked to other folks... so I would blame her(smile)
[15:11:12 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> LOL
[15:11:20 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Nice work, Susan. (smile)
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[15:58:06 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> yeah - but first time i've seem a semi flame war in here
[15:58:19 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[15:58:24 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> just a heated discussion
[15:58:27 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> everyone making nice now now i see
[15:58:30 EST(-0500)] <lfuller_> ?
[15:58:47 EST(-0500)] * lfuller_ got dropped for a bit
[15:58:59 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> did anyone catch my last email to the list?
[15:59:06 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> did I miss a "heated discussion"?
[15:59:19 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> you can always read the logs (wink)
[15:59:35 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> or are you referring to a friendly exchange of information that scott and I had earlier?
[15:59:39 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> yup
[16:00:05 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> that didn't get nasty or mean or anything(smile)
[16:00:40 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> for a try flame war... take a look at spring and jboss group discussions... some of those get to the point of talking smack about each others wives.
[16:00:46 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> er true.
[16:01:07 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> not nice.
[16:01:22 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so ... that email I sent ... anyone take a peak?
[16:01:38 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> channel rendering cycle?
[16:01:43 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> or is it something newer?
[16:01:57 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> same thread
[16:02:01 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> similar topic
[16:02:13 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> new content (I should have started a new thread)
[16:02:15 EST(-0500)] * LennardFuller has trouble with the email list sometimes. I'll see responses to emails before the actual email even shows up(sad)
[16:07:29 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> looks neat to me
[16:10:17 EST(-0500)] * LennardFuller has never written a channel... so won't comment(smile)
[16:10:30 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> SusanBramhall: good to hear
[16:10:51 EST(-0500)] <LennardFuller> andrew petro keeps telling me how wonderful it is though(smile)
[16:11:03 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> (smile)
[16:19:18 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> SusanBramhall: setStaticData is called once per user/session correct?
[16:21:25 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> once per instantiation of the channel i think
[16:21:46 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ok
[16:48:49 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> guys
[16:48:56 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> im trying to deploy uportal
[16:48:56 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> hello
[16:48:57 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (smile)
[16:49:02 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> locally
[16:49:04 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> on OSX
[16:49:08 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> I know I know fun fun fun
[16:49:09 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (tongue)
[16:49:10 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> anyway
[16:49:12 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> http://pastie.caboo.se/119930
[16:49:24 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> on 'ant initportal' I got that
[16:50:00 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> if anybody could enlighten me on what I need to fix.... (smile)
[16:50:17 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> from the error log it has something to do with channels...
[16:50:29 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> looks like your database didn't get setup correctly, I'm not much of an expert on this but you need to make sure there is an entry in uPortal/properties/db/dbloader.xml that matches your database & driver
[16:50:46 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> okay... I'll check that file (smile)
[16:50:53 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> unless there are others in here that remember more than that you'll likely have better luck in uportal-users for more specific help
[16:51:08 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> I got the rdbm.properties going on
[16:51:26 EST(-0500)] <lescour> the entries in the file are very specific. your driver/db version must match exactly
[16:53:14 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> the dbloader.xml?
[16:53:20 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> or the rdbm?
[16:54:21 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> So Eric, do you know if the tagging of 2.6.1 GA... going to happen today? soon?
[16:54:45 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ah at the conference andrew and I had talked about him taking that over
[16:54:52 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> Is that Andrew's task now? Looks like he's away somewhere
[16:55:00 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I can ask him if I seem him
[16:55:15 EST(-0500)] <lescour> in dbloader.xml
[16:55:42 EST(-0500)] <SusanBramhall> you definitely seem him sometimes but not what you meant i think
[16:55:44 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> another thing it kinda sucks is the usage of 'ant clean'... it doesn't only clean the compiled files... it cleans ALL of the files :|
[16:55:54 EST(-0500)] <lescour> i believe i had to add this entry: http://pastie.caboo.se/119933
[16:56:20 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> lescour: im gonna check mine
[16:56:48 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> EiNZTEiN: you should never be editing files under tomcat directly though
[16:57:00 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> ?
[16:57:03 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> you should edit things in the uportal download and use ant deploy to move them over
[16:57:10 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> hmm
[16:57:15 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> ah ok
[17:04:08 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> lescour: where's the dbloader.xml?
[17:05:38 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> found it
[17:05:48 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> properties/db
[17:09:03 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> lescour: my dbloader.xml already has that
[17:09:36 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> if you run ant dbtest (I think that is the name of it) you should see what you are using for your DB & driver
[17:09:51 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> using the template that lesour has make sure the data matches exactly
[17:09:58 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> okay
[17:14:57 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> yup
[17:15:04 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> it's working now so it seems
[17:15:06 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (smile)
[17:15:11 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (it got past that at least)
[17:15:27 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> I'm on 8.2.3
[17:15:35 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> JBDC4 too
[17:20:48 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> hmmm
[17:21:00 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> but when I go to localhost:8080/uPortal I get this:
[17:21:01 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> http://pastie.caboo.se/119944
[17:21:02 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (sad)
[17:21:21 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> althought the build went "successfully"
[17:21:38 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> ah
[17:21:45 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> so the uportal build is set up for tomcat 5.5
[17:21:49 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> err
[17:21:50 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> :|
[17:22:13 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> the tomcat classloader structure was changed for 6.0
[17:22:28 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> what do I need to change?
[17:22:32 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> and I don't think there is a build script for it yet, though I have seen some people on the list talk about it
[17:22:43 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I don't know, I've never deployed it to tomcat 6
[17:23:00 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> my guess would be the shared & common libraries aren't ending up in the right places
[17:23:12 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> errr :|
[17:23:15 EST(-0500)] <EricDalquist> but I have no idea what the right places are in tomcat 6
[17:23:15 EST(-0500)] <lescour> unless you have a specific need for tomcat 6, your best bet is to downgrade to tomcat 5.5
[17:23:24 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> lescour: I was gonna ask taht
[17:23:26 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> that*
[17:23:27 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> (tongue)
[17:35:53 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> i'm getting a 404 now :o
[17:36:06 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> even though uPortal is listed on the application list on tomcat
[17:36:16 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> and even though there are files in the respective dir
[17:36:21 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> including index.jsp
[17:36:41 EST(-0500)] * colinclark (n=atrcwrk2@142.150.154.101) has joined ##uportal
[17:36:45 EST(-0500)] <EiNZTEiN> and when trying localhost:8080/uPortal/index.jsp I still get 404 :o