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[14:15:01 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> it would end up in catalina.out or localhost.log I believe

[14:15:55 CDT(-0500)] <b-cause> yes thats what I thought too. Its just the timestamps in the log files don't match fully with when the error for the user occured. there are exceptions in the logs but they didin't occur at the same timeframe