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[04:33:19 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Hmm. It appears uPortal ignores anything I put into UP_CHANNEL_MDATA.
[04:33:38 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I'm trying to localize channel names.
[04:34:18 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I've read online that CHAN_NAME needs to match CHAN_NAME from UP_CHANNEL and it does, but I still can't get it to work.
[04:50:43 CST(-0600)] <rickard> athena: You there?
[09:35:49 CST(-0600)] <athena> hi rickard
[09:35:57 CST(-0600)] <athena> i was not in fact here
[09:36:03 CST(-0600)] * athena lives on the west coast of the US
[09:40:11 CST(-0600)] <rickard> athena: That explains it
[09:40:17 CST(-0600)] <athena> lol yes
[09:40:39 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I don't want to bug you, but did you by any chance see my post on the mailing list regarding the up_channel_mdata?
[09:40:52 CST(-0600)] <rickard> You seem to know your way around the code.
[09:41:17 CST(-0600)] <athena> looking
[09:41:56 CST(-0600)] <athena> i'm not sure the code to use the MDATA stuff exists/works anymore :/
[09:42:05 CST(-0600)] <athena> to be perfectly honest
[09:42:13 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Ok
[09:42:28 CST(-0600)] <athena> we've been talking about updating / rewriting all of that for the upcoming release of uportal, which should have a lot of i18n fixes
[09:42:29 CST(-0600)] <rickard> If that's true, that would explain why it doesn't get picked up
[09:42:52 CST(-0600)] <athena> yeah, i have a feeling it may have gotten lost somewhere
[09:42:54 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Yeah, I've read some discussions on the subject, but I thought that was for 3.3.
[09:43:14 CST(-0600)] <athena> you might be able to fix it by making theme/structure modifications
[09:43:20 CST(-0600)] <athena> yeah, all those fixes will be for 3.3
[09:43:53 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Yeah, that's what we do today. We add it to messages.xml and then do a lookup on the channel name before we output it.
[09:44:03 CST(-0600)] <athena> gotcha
[09:44:11 CST(-0600)] <athena> if you look at channeldefinitionimpl there are messages like getName(String locale)
[09:44:13 CST(-0600)] <rickard> But it's not the most elegant solution in that it requires us to modify the theme whenever we make a change.
[09:44:26 CST(-0600)] <athena> but i'm not sure if the layout ever actually gets those locales
[09:44:44 CST(-0600)] <athena> eric might know a bit more
[09:45:44 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Ok
[09:46:45 CST(-0600)] <rickard> There is a locale attribute on channel in the theme xml, but for some reason, it's set to en_US on some channels and sv_SE on others. Regardless, the channel titles and stuff are still in English.
[09:47:11 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I'll see if Eric is here tomorrow. Maybe he knows something.
[09:47:20 CST(-0600)] <athena> yeah, asking him wouldn't be a bad idea
[09:47:33 CST(-0600)] <rickard> How is 3.2.5 coming along?
[09:47:41 CST(-0600)] <athena> also a question for eric
[09:47:45 CST(-0600)] <rickard>
[09:47:57 CST(-0600)] <athena> i know there are some good fixes out there, but i'm not quite sure what else might be planned for that release
[09:48:02 CST(-0600)] <rickard> There's a pretty big list of unresolved bugs for 3.2.5 in Jira. Can't imagine all of them will be closed before release.
[09:48:09 CST(-0600)] <athena> agreed
[09:48:22 CST(-0600)] <athena> and probably some of them aren't very high priority
[09:48:27 CST(-0600)] <rickard> True
[09:49:10 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Another issue with i18n is that the locale switcher doesn't seem to work for guests.
[09:49:17 CST(-0600)] <athena> yes, that is absolutely true
[09:49:27 CST(-0600)] <rickard> On the list for 3.3?
[09:49:29 CST(-0600)] <athena> yes
[09:49:42 CST(-0600)] <athena> should be easier to fix with the rendering pipeline changes there
[09:49:46 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Ok
[09:49:51 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I won't bug you anymore. Thanks.
[09:50:00 CST(-0600)] <athena> i'd really like uportal's i18n support to be more solid as of 3.3 - i imagine it's kind of frustrating right now
[09:50:04 CST(-0600)] <athena> no problem
[09:50:10 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Yeah, it is.
[09:52:03 CST(-0600)] <rickard> The documentation on the subject is also a bit dated. I found references to stuff from like 2002 that surely no longer applies.
[09:52:55 CST(-0600)] <athena> well, we do have a documentation coordinator now, so if you find documentation that needs to be fixed in the manual, you might let her know
[09:53:13 CST(-0600)] <athena> all the current efforts are taking place at https://wiki.jasig.org/display/UPM32/Home
[09:53:35 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Yup
[09:53:44 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I've been working with this: https://wiki.jasig.org/display/UPC/Minimal+guide+for+Internationalization
[09:53:56 CST(-0600)] <rickard> But I guess it no longer applies.
[09:54:40 CST(-0600)] <athena> i guess step 1 does, but from what you're saying it sounds like step 2 doesn't work
[09:54:44 CST(-0600)] <athena> wonder how hard it would be to fix
[09:55:14 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Thing is, even if that is fixed, tabs still need to be localized in the theme.
[09:55:20 CST(-0600)] <athena> i know
[09:55:30 CST(-0600)] <athena> and i don't know if we'll be able to get that done for 3.3
[09:55:53 CST(-0600)] <athena> here's the wish list / planning page we have set up at the moment: https://wiki.jasig.org/display/UPC/Improving+uPortal+i18n+Support
[09:57:00 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Yeah, I saw that today.
[09:57:02 CST(-0600)] <rickard> "i18n support for tab names"
[09:57:53 CST(-0600)] <rickard> The up_channel_mdata solution seems ok to me. Wouldn't something similar be doable for tabs?
[09:58:06 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Or are tabs not store in the database like channels?
[09:58:11 CST(-0600)] <rickard> stored even
[09:58:35 CST(-0600)] <athena> they are not, unfortunately
[09:58:59 CST(-0600)] <athena> hey EricDalquist
[09:59:04 CST(-0600)] <EricDalquist> hello
[09:59:06 CST(-0600)] <rickard> howdy
[10:06:03 CST(-0600)] <rickard> EricDalquist: Did you by any chance see my post on the mailing list regarding up_channel_mdata?
[10:06:22 CST(-0600)] <rickard> athena tells me that he isn't certain if the mdata stuff exists/works anymore.
[10:06:29 CST(-0600)] <EricDalquist> not yet, on a phone call for the next hour...
[10:06:38 CST(-0600)] <rickard> Ok. No rush.
[10:06:49 CST(-0600)] <rickard> I'm leaving for the day in a few minutes anyway.