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[13:16:57 CDT(-0500)] <EricDalquist> I think
[13:17:50 CDT(-0500)] <drewwills> that's not what i'm observing, i think
[13:18:26 CDT(-0500)] <drewwills> it seems that "final LocalDate startDate = start.toLocalDate();" gives you a calendar date w/o any TZ info